Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[atlas]

I was going to get some of the family that used to run it to do affidavits and then carry on and let the council make there move and go from there i think it is better for them to disprove rather me to prove to them .

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I was going to get some of the family that used to run it to do affidavits and then carry on and let the council make there move and go from there i think it is better for them to disprove rather me to prove to them .

If you've got the proof then apply for a lawful development certificate before you get enforcement action

 

[atlas]

Is the lawful development certificate based on the last 10 years or the fact it has been there since the 40s . I spoke to someone and they said it will be based on the ten years previous from date you apply and it has been used to store mainly in the last 10 rather any processing .

 

[theboytheboy]

Is the lawful development certificate based on the last 10 years or the fact it has been there since the 40s . I spoke to someone and they said it will be based on the ten years previous from date you apply and it has been used to store mainly in the last 10 rather any processing .

I'm sure there has been an element of "processing" in some way.........????

It may not have been running at 100 %scrap processing potential but there was some scrap being processed wasn't there?

 

[atlas]

Yes there has been some processing .just i have been told a if i applied for a certificate it will be very restrictive .

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I'd like to move our 100 cow dairy unit 100m south (and up the hill) from its current position to some newer buildings that were erected under 28 day notice from 2016-2020.

We are within 400 m of neighbours, but this would move the cows further from the neighbours & reduce smell etc
Cows would be loose housed so no slurry etc (same as present) everything would be under one roof
We would also be further from the brook with drainage going away from it

What is the correct procedure ?
I can't JFDI as the risk is too high

Thanks

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I'd like to move our 100 cow dairy unit 100m south (and up the hill) from its current position to some newer buildings that were erected under 28 day notice from 2016-2020.

We are within 400 m of neighbours, but this would move the cows further from the neighbours & reduce smell etc
Cows would be loose housed so no slurry etc (same as present) everything would be under one roof
We would also be further from the brook with drainage going away from it

What is the correct procedure ?
I can't JFDI as the risk is too high

Thanks

Would the new location still be within 400m?

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Would the new location still be within 400m?

Yes, it would be approx 300m instead of 200m.
I have spoken to one neighbour who is in favour. The other 2 are less friendly.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I would suggest you need to make a planning application to change the use to livestock housing. Those buildings would have needed Full Planning Permission if they were originally intended for livestock housing.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I would suggest you need to make a planning application to change the use to livestock housing. Those buildings would have needed Full Planning Permission if they were originally intended for livestock housing.

thank you

 

[GNW]

Hello chaps. Possibly a can of worms but...

We need a lambing/feed barn on the smallholding. It is appropriate for PD/agnot but we are near an airfield which means 3m max ridge height. We sadly have a set of townie neighbours that would whinge about a stinky fart if they could send their objections via a solicitor.
So my question is. What’s the difference between agnot and full agricultural planning in terms of consultation. All I can dig up is if their comments aren’t valid (ie they can’t say it spoils their barn conversion’s view or that they just don’t likes it) then it doesn’t matter whether it’s full or agnot planning it’ll still go through no bother. Am I right in thinking that or would full PP be a longer drawn out process to be able to get a better height on the barn or is it better to go for a tiny wee low shed through agnot just to keep neighbours at bay. They’ve already wasted my money on an access dispute that was total rubbish. Ta x x

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hello chaps. Possibly a can of worms but...

We need a lambing/feed barn on the smallholding. It is appropriate for PD/agnot but we are near an airfield which means 3m max ridge height. We sadly have a set of townie neighbours that would whinge about a stinky fart if they could send their objections via a solicitor.
So my question is. What’s the difference between agnot and full agricultural planning in terms of consultation. All I can dig up is if their comments aren’t valid (ie they can’t say it spoils their barn conversion’s view or that they just don’t likes it) then it doesn’t matter whether it’s full or agnot planning it’ll still go through no bother. Am I right in thinking that or would full PP be a longer drawn out process to be able to get a better height on the barn or is it better to go for a tiny wee low shed through agnot just to keep neighbours at bay. They’ve already wasted my money on an access dispute that was total rubbish. Ta x x

So a Part 6 application for Agricultural PD could take up 56 days (28 days to determine if Prior Approval, 28 to assess the Prior Approval) and Full Planning should be determined within 8 weeks (56 days) so for the flexibility to build what you want then Full Planning would be my recommendation but make sure to cite in your planning statement that the Prior Notification could be considered as a fallback position.

 

[GNW]

So a Part 6 application for Agricultural PD could take up 56 days (28 days to determine if Prior Approval, 28 to assess the Prior Approval) and Full Planning should be determined within 8 weeks (56 days) so for the flexibility to build what you want then Full Planning would be my recommendation but make sure to cite in your planning statement that the Prior Notification could be considered as a fallback position.

Thanks!

So a Part 6 application for Agricultural PD could take up 56 days (28 days to determine if Prior Approval, 28 to assess the Prior Approval) and Full Planning should be determined within 8 weeks (56 days) so for the flexibility to build what you want then Full Planning would be my recommendation but make sure to cite in your planning statement that the Prior Notification could be considered as a fallback position.

That’s what I’m beginning to think. See if full PP slides through then go prior approval if not.
Is there a difference in how the consultation works for each?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Thanks!

That’s what I’m beginning to think. See if full PP slides through then go prior approval if not.
Is there a difference in how the consultation works for each?

Yes, with a full application all and sundry will be consulted (Highways, Environmental Health, Parish Council etc) where as PN it will be solely down to a Planning Officer to consider if PN is required. If it is then everybody else gets to pile in. Being within 3km and only being a smallholding I would imagine PN would be required so you are gaining nothing by going that route.

 

[GNW]

Yes, with a full application all and sundry will be consulted (Highways, Environmental Health, Parish Council etc) where as PN it will be solely down to a Planning Officer to consider if PN is required. If it is then everybody else gets to pile in. Being within 3km and only being a smallholding I would imagine PN would be required so you are gaining nothing by going that route.

 

[GNW]

Yes. We previously put in for PN which is how we realised we were just on the cusp of an airfield. And then neighbours all objected like mad on that (none valid)
So we thought about lowering height to get round the everybody getting a say as well as the direct neighbours. but it’s very difficult to get a decent size barn to grow our business into with such a low rake to the roof. Which is why I’m asking the wider world.

Additional useful info

less than 400m to the houses (won’t be for permanent animal housing)
and it’s off a private drive off a quiet lane
Is there anything else worth considering?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Yes. We previously put in for PN which is how we realised we were just on the cusp of an airfield. And then neighbours all objected like mad on that (none valid)
So we thought about lowering height to get round the everybody getting a say as well as the direct neighbours. but it’s very difficult to get a decent size barn to grow our business into with such a low rake to the roof. Which is why I’m asking the wider world.

Additional useful info

less than 400m to the houses (won’t be for permanent animal housing)
and it’s off a private drive off a quiet lane
Is there anything else worth considering?

The primary focus will be the impact on the non agricultural dwellings so impacts such as noise, smell and lighting. the first two you can't do much about other than providing a very descriptive explanation of the use of the building and when it comes to lighting I would make sure that there is no external lighting, this will probably be a material consideration considering your proximity to an airstrip also.

 

[GNW]

The primary focus will be the impact on the non agricultural dwellings so impacts such as noise, smell and lighting. the first two you can't do much about other than providing a very descriptive explanation of the use of the building and when it comes to lighting I would make sure that there is no external lighting, this will probably be a material consideration considering your proximity to an airstrip also.

Amazing thanks for the responses.
I feel like we do have it fairly in hand then. As you can imagine whatever planning we go for we’ll be tearing the a*** out of considerations to the neighbouring barn conversions.

 

[O'Reilly]

In 2014, I got permission to build a straw storage shed, which other than enlarging an area of hard standing, never got built because the milk price crashed.
It is now looking like a handy place to put a cubicle shed. The original pp required a start to building within 3 years I think. Is a bit of hardcore a 'start of construction', or should I just spend the money and get proper permission? Our neighbours aren't usually a problem, although you never know. Another local farmer was misusing his buildings for furniture storage, and the planners only got involved after he started shouting at dog walkers, so they aren't too quick on the uptake.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

In 2014, I got permission to build a straw storage shed, which other than enlarging an area of hard standing, never got built because the milk price crashed.
It is now looking like a handy place to put a cubicle shed. The original pp required a start to building within 3 years I think. Is a bit of hardcore a 'start of construction', or should I just spend the money and get proper permission? Our neighbours aren't usually a problem, although you never know. Another local farmer was misusing his buildings for furniture storage, and the planners only got involved after he started shouting at dog walkers, so they aren't too quick on the uptake.

Was it full planning permission in 2014?