Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[Nearly]

Council have thrown out my application for a grain shed because they lost my card payment for the planning fee.
Can I get them to fast track the application so I have a chance of getting the shed up this side of xmas?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Council have thrown out my application for a grain shed because they lost my card payment for the planning fee.
Can I get them to fast track the application so I have a chance of getting the shed up this side of xmas?

Do you have proof of payment?

 

[tullah]

George
A little bit of advice sought. Im wanting to put up a machinery shed 60ft by 50 and 20 to eves. We are 500m from the public highway and 500 from nearest dwelling and in an AONB. It's a long time since we put up a shed so totally ignorant of how to go about planning if it's necessary. Thanks in advance.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Sorry, perhaps phrased it wrongly - does an existing hardcore yard require planning permission to concrete it?

A difficult one really, all depends on how your LPA view the existing yard. I would suggest if the current surface is impermeable then it is a repair but if you are going to be increasing the water run off then I would suggest it needs planning.
Also, can it be seen from the public highway/footpath? If not, what does it look like on Google Earth?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

George
A little bit of advice sought. Im wanting to put up a machinery shed 60ft by 50 and 20 to eves. We are 500m from the public highway and 500 from nearest dwelling and in an AONB. It's a long time since we put up a shed so totally ignorant of how to go about planning if it's necessary. Thanks in advance.

So it sounds like Prior Approval is the route you need to take as it sounds like it would fall under the requirements for Permitted Development.
The design and style of the building will be assessed as to its suitability for its location in an AONB so you may not be able to just have a straight forward steel frame and metal clad building. Have a look around your immediate area at any recent farm buildings that have had approval and when applying supply reference and photos of any that are similar to your application. It is easy for the council to refuse on 'impact on the AONB' but if you can prove they have approved similar nearby it will certainly blunt their arrow.

 

[ploughman1963]

A difficult one really, all depends on how your LPA view the existing yard. I would suggest if the current surface is impermeable then it is a repair but if you are going to be increasing the water run off then I would suggest it needs planning.
Also, can it be seen from the public highway/footpath? If not, what does it look like on Google Earth?

From google earth it looks like a well used hard surfaced yard. Not visible from the road - which is a quiet country lane anyway. As far as I can see, I cant JFDI as I need paperwork off someone to show the RPA.
Not picking a point with you George - rather the planners - but the whole point of the grant for concreting is to improve the situation by cleaning up the water that runs off the yard to reduce contamination of waterways. Run off wont be increased or decreased - just much cleaner.
Thanks George

 

[George from SJM Planning]

From google earth it looks like a well used hard surfaced yard. Not visible from the road - which is a quiet country lane anyway. As far as I can see, I cant JFDI as I need paperwork off someone to show the RPA.
Not picking a point with you George - rather the planners - but the whole point of the grant for concreting is to improve the situation by cleaning up the water that runs off the yard to reduce contamination of waterways. Run off wont be increased or decreased - just much cleaner.
Thanks George

I am not familiar with the Grant so I am more enlightened now.
To get paperwork from the planners ,tto satisfy the RPA there is only 3 options; one is to apply under prior approval OR apply for a certificate of lawful development OR to apply for planning permission.

 

[Pasty]

So if the hardstanding was part of that application then I would argue the planning permission was enacted within the three years so is extant and you are well within your rights to build the shed now.

I would agree. We recently had a case of a 20 year old permission which could continue as the footings had been put in back then but no more. ie. A material start.

 

[Still Farming]

When is the new extension to permitted development applications from 28 to 56 days kicking in?

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

When is the new extension to permitted development applications from 28 to 56 days kicking in?

New? It's already in, isn't it?

Ours last year were subject to 56 days to determine.

 

[Forever Fendt]

A difficult one really, all depends on how your LPA view the existing yard. I would suggest if the current surface is impermeable then it is a repair but if you are going to be increasing the water run off then I would suggest it needs planning.
Also, can it be seen from the public highway/footpath? If not, what does it look like on Google Earth?

Our LPA would call it an engineering operation it looks like this is the go to phase when they can't think of anything specific to pull you up on

 

[George from SJM Planning]

New? It's already in, isn't it?

Ours last year were subject to 56 days to determine.

They must notify the applicant within 28 days if they deem Prior Approval is required, they then have a total of 56 days from the application date to assess the application.

 

[TheBouncing BogTrotter]

An odd one: what permissions are needed for land raise? We have been approached by a company keen to use a portion of land a family member owns in England for depositing graded waste soil from a development site. They have said they will look after the necessary permissions but we were wondering what those necessary permissions are. Planning permission, environmental licence? Thank you.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

You will need planning permission or at the very least prior approval from the local planning department for an engineering operation on agricultural land. You will also need a licence from Environment Agency.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

An odd one: what permissions are needed for land raise? We have been approached by a company keen to use a portion of land a family member owns in England for depositing graded waste soil from a development site. They have said they will look after the necessary permissions but we were wondering what those necessary permissions are. Planning permission, environmental licence? Thank you.

Be VERY careful that they deposit what they said they would (quantity and quality).

There's huge money in taking waste spoil. Near here a big farming outfit built a new yard with multiple modern buildings and had a planning condition to erect a bund to screen it. They charged to tip clay to make the bund and it paid for the development!

 

[An Gof]

Local to me then. Try Paul Spackman from High Cross, he probably knows some good ones.

[email protected]
01480 458421
07702 002842

one of my and @Tonka old college mates

PS think you should send his contact details by PM rather than post here in public

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

one of my and @Tonka old college mates

PS think you should send his contact details by PM rather than post here in public

Maybe but he does tout for such work so it's also a recommendation

 

[Cowlife]

Hi all. I was reading a fb post yesterday about a new woodland planned for outside Belfast. Scrolled through the comments and noticed a few people saying it would be good for woodland burials.
I know there was a site rejected over here a few years back mainly through opposition by locals and I m not aware of any others in NI.
Are they popular in rest of UK? In our current times would planners be happier with the concept.
I d be talking about taking land and putting trees on it?

 

[Pasty]

Hi all. I was reading a fb post yesterday about a new woodland planned for outside Belfast. Scrolled through the comments and noticed a few people saying it would be good for woodland burials.
I know there was a site rejected over here a few years back mainly through opposition by locals and I m not aware of any others in NI.
Are they popular in rest of UK? In our current times would planners be happier with the concept.
I d be talking about taking land and putting trees on it?

There used to be a lady on here who ran one in Dorset. I think she has sold up the farm now. Her goat herd is 2 farms from me. I think the income is fairly good and I can't see planning being an issue although there would be traffic and environmental issues. There is another one near me at Sharpham Farm in Devon. Might be an idea to call around and ask for any tips. Also have a word with your parish, district and county cllrs. I would deffo tie it in with a tree planting/ conservation plan as that will go well.

 

[br jones]

There used to be a lady on here who ran one in Dorset. I think she has sold up the farm now. Her goat herd is 2 farms from me. I think the income is fairly good and I can't see planning being an issue although there would be traffic and environmental issues. There is another one near me at Sharpham Farm in Devon. Might be an idea to call around and ask for any tips. Also have a word with your parish, district and county cllrs. I would deffo tie it in with a tree planting/ conservation plan as that will go well.

Ah cemetrys require plannimg amd infrastructure, ie roads in and out ,shelter ,toilets etc,also many tests on water table levels in the wetest of winters