Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

There is a natural burial site next to my dads smallholding so i obviously took interest in the planning application.

They were required to prepare a 20 year business and site management plan, a highways strategy including parking, signage and providing passing places along the 1 mile lane to the main road. They also had to have restrictions on ceremonies (number of, attendees, music etc).

Not as straight forward as just dumping a few bodies (thats more a Kent thing ...)
 
Straight forward extension ,applied for in November,expected decision mid June ,ffs
My bugbear today is petty reasons for invalidating an application especially when it takes council's about 3-weeks to even look at them so when I go back to the client and say that the Red line around the property wasn't thick enough and your application hasn't actually started 3 weeks ago like we expected it to it really doesn't make for a cheery planning consultant or client.
 

theboytheboy

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Arable Farmer
Location
Portsmouth
Am I correct in thinking I don't need planning permission for deer fencing in a woodland. One side will about a bridleway and one side a road.

The bridleway has a ditch and a mound of soil with a newly laid hedge on it and the fence would be behind the hedge.

We are in a national park.
 
Am I correct in thinking I don't need planning permission for deer fencing in a woodland. One side will about a bridleway and one side a road.

The bridleway has a ditch and a mound of soil with a newly laid hedge on it and the fence would be behind the hedge.

We are in a national park.
I think normally you wouldn't but being in a national park may change things. Not a lot you can do in a national park without planning.
 

TheBouncing BogTrotter

Member
Livestock Farmer
An odd one: what permissions are needed for land raise? We have been approached by a company keen to use a portion of land a family member owns in England for depositing graded waste soil from a development site. They have said they will look after the necessary permissions but we were wondering what those necessary permissions are. Planning permission, environmental licence? Thank you.
Thanks for the replies, does anyone have any idea what sort of money is involved with this? I want to ensure the family member isn't be offered a low amount. Thanks in advance.
 
We have an existing (stoned) roadway on tenanted land (shown on maps) that has become overlaid with soil that needs stripping off and then the road needs upgrading to be suitable for modern farm equipment. Our landlord is happy for us to open up a quarry on the land and we have identified a suitable seam of rock. Our landlord cannot get a definitive answer as to whether we need planning permission to open this quarry and, as they anticipate potential resistance from an overlooking neighbour, they are saying that they feel it better to get planning permission. 1. George, do we need planning?
2. advice on how to go about it please - straightforward online application? 3. I have used up all of my PD allowance for at least a year so is this likely to involve full planning and at what cost?

@George from SJM Planning

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We have an existing (stoned) roadway on tenanted land (shown on maps) that has become overlaid with soil that needs stripping off and then the road needs upgrading to be suitable for modern farm equipment. Our landlord is happy for us to open up a quarry on the land and we have identified a suitable seam of rock. Our landlord cannot get a definitive answer as to whether we need planning permission to open this quarry and, as they anticipate potential resistance from an overlooking neighbour, they are saying that they feel it better to get planning permission. 1. George, do we need planning?
2. advice on how to go about it please - straightforward online application? 3. I have used up all of my PD allowance for at least a year so is this likely to involve full planning and at what cost?

@George from SJM Planning

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The repair and upgrading of the track should be fine without planning permission, the quarrying of material may need planning permission, to be honest it's not something I have much experience in. My advice would be to put in an application for a Lawful Development Certificate to the council asking for them to confirm that the removal of material from the farm (quarry) to repair and upgrade the track does not require planning permission. Then you will have it it writing.
 

O'Reilly

Member
We have an existing (stoned) roadway on tenanted land (shown on maps) that has become overlaid with soil that needs stripping off and then the road needs upgrading to be suitable for modern farm equipment. Our landlord is happy for us to open up a quarry on the land and we have identified a suitable seam of rock. Our landlord cannot get a definitive answer as to whether we need planning permission to open this quarry and, as they anticipate potential resistance from an overlooking neighbour, they are saying that they feel it better to get planning permission. 1. George, do we need planning?
2. advice on how to go about it please - straightforward online application? 3. I have used up all of my PD allowance for at least a year so is this likely to involve full planning and at what cost?

@George from SJM Planning

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@Beef farmer has started quarrying his own stone, ask him.
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
We have an existing (stoned) roadway on tenanted land (shown on maps) that has become overlaid with soil that needs stripping off and then the road needs upgrading to be suitable for modern farm equipment. Our landlord is happy for us to open up a quarry on the land and we have identified a suitable seam of rock. Our landlord cannot get a definitive answer as to whether we need planning permission to open this quarry and, as they anticipate potential resistance from an overlooking neighbour, they are saying that they feel it better to get planning permission. 1. George, do we need planning?
2. advice on how to go about it please - straightforward online application? 3. I have used up all of my PD allowance for at least a year so is this likely to involve full planning and at what cost?

@George from SJM Planning

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I was told by the Officer at Telford and Wrekin Council in charge of quarries etc, that you can quarry material on your own land for use on the property, but that you cannot process the material. As in, make concrete or tarmac, even for home use.

Be interesting to hear what SCC say....
 
Hi all, quick question on Class Q, I have bought a barn and 10 acre meadow. The purchase has taken far longer than expected because of covid, solicitors and banking staff being furloughed / work from home. What I expected to take 4 months has actually taken just over 10. Naively I thought Class Q meant I had to start the conversion within the 3 year limit. This leaves me in a slight predicament the class Q runs out in May 22, as we haven't yet got detailed drawings, I'm concerned we're not going to be finished in time - what happens if we're not - are we able to get an extension, do I have to tear down what we have converted and reinstate? If this is too tight, can I reapply for Class Q to start the clock ticking again, although the barn has been empty for 3 years now so could be argued thats its no longer used for agriculture. Or do I have to go for full PP, if so given the barn had Class Q is there a precedent set already meaning as long as the plans are similar would it likely to be seen favourably? We're not in a conservation area.
 
Hi all, quick question on Class Q, I have bought a barn and 10 acre meadow. The purchase has taken far longer than expected because of covid, solicitors and banking staff being furloughed / work from home. What I expected to take 4 months has actually taken just over 10. Naively I thought Class Q meant I had to start the conversion within the 3 year limit. This leaves me in a slight predicament the class Q runs out in May 22, as we haven't yet got detailed drawings, I'm concerned we're not going to be finished in time - what happens if we're not - are we able to get an extension, do I have to tear down what we have converted and reinstate? If this is too tight, can I reapply for Class Q to start the clock ticking again, although the barn has been empty for 3 years now so could be argued thats its no longer used for agriculture. Or do I have to go for full PP, if so given the barn had Class Q is there a precedent set already meaning as long as the plans are similar would it likely to be seen favourably? We're not in a conservation area.
I would suggest going fr full Planning Permission is your safest option. You would need to submit it part retrospectively if works have commenced but I would suggest citing delays in construction caused by COVID meant that the build couldn't be completed in the timeframe etc.
I would suggest using a professional to do this for you as you don't want to end up with neither class q or full planning.
How far off completion do you think you'd be when the class q expires?
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
I am not disagreeing with George but would add that once it has gone through the planning stage as it has the planning department are no longer interested. You are very unlikely to hear from them again. It is in the hands of Building Control once you start construction and all they are concerned with is that you build it to standard, they won't be interested if you run over time. Building Control and the Planning department as far as I know do not communicate with each other and it is Building Control that issue the completion statement. They won't care what the date is.
Of course the "correct" way to do it is go back to the planners but I am willing to bet at the end of it all you will wish you just got on with it. Easy for me to say as I know you will be fretting until it is finished and that alone is a big part of it.
I would love to hear of any cases where the fact the 3 years are up has had any impact on any class Q build where any significant building work has been made, ie not just run out and not even been started.
 

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