Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[George from SJM Planning]

Ah ok i thought that was for housing livestock.

Just checked and it is for all agricultural PD, 25m from any classified road.

 

[Adam@Rumen]

What other restrictions are there for PD please @George from SJM Planning

Looking to put a shed and yard up on a 15 acre field

Sorry if it's been covered before.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

What other restrictions are there for PD please @George from SJM Planning

Looking to put a shed and yard up on a 15 acre field

Sorry if it's been covered before.

The building must comply with all of Part 6 of The Town and Country (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015 and its subsequent amendments. I have attached the relevant extract. You must comply with every aspect or either Class A or Class B. If in doubt seek professional advice.

 

[Kidds]

In which case they have not informed you within 28 days of receipt of the application that Prior Approval is required so crack on!

They have now come back a fortnight after the 28 days were up and said if I don't prove the buildings are not for reasonable agricultural use they are going to refuse them.
My tin shed is OK but not the brick one. 15x5m single storey. There's hardly a single farm yard around here that doesn't have such a shed. I'm not very happy tonight.
The whole thing, 2 sheds and concrete yard only comes to 710m2, nearly 300m2 less than a single shed would be allowed.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

They have now come back a fortnight after the 28 days were up and said if I don't prove the buildings are not for reasonable agricultural use they are going to refuse them.
My tin shed is OK but not the brick one. 15x5m single storey. There's hardly a single farm yard around here that doesn't have such a shed. I'm not very happy tonight.
The whole thing, 2 sheds and concrete yard only comes to 710m2, nearly 300m2 less than a single shed would be allowed.

I would respond stating that you are of the opinion that their failure to inform you that Prior Approval was required within the prescribed time period and that on xxxx date you believed the proposal to be lawful and not requiring their approval and if they can not disprove this assumption then you have the right to appeal to the secretary of state over their action in pursuing you.

Feel free to drop me an email ([email protected]) if you want me to look at the application for you.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I would respond stating that you are of the opinion that their failure to inform you that Prior Approval was required within the prescribed time period and that on xxxx date you believed the proposal to be lawful and not requiring their approval and if they can not disprove this assumption then you have the right to appeal to the secretary of state over their action in pursuing you.

Feel free to drop me an email ([email protected]) if you want me to look at the application for you.

I forgot to check but is this for new buiildings under Part 6, Class A? If so, this is the information you need to know:

(iii) the development must not begin before the occurrence of one of the following—
(aa) the receipt by the applicant from the local planning authority of a written notice of their determination that such prior approval is not required;
(bb) where the local planning authority give the applicant notice within 28 days following the date of receiving the applicant’s application of their determination that such prior approval is required, the giving of such approval; or
(cc) the expiry of 28 days following the date on which the application under sub- paragraph (2)(ii) was received by the local planning authority without the local planning authority making any determination as to whether such approval is required or notifying the applicant of their determination;

 

[rob1]

They have now come back a fortnight after the 28 days were up and said if I don't prove the buildings are not for reasonable agricultural use they are going to refuse them.
My tin shed is OK but not the brick one. 15x5m single storey. There's hardly a single farm yard around here that doesn't have such a shed. I'm not very happy tonight.
The whole thing, 2 sheds and concrete yard only comes to 710m2, nearly 300m2 less than a single shed would be allowed.

I agree with George, but wouldnt be so polite, I think I would send them a sarcastic email asking them if they had any maths qualifications and why 42 days was less than the 28 the law allows

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I agree with George, but wouldnt be so polite, I think I would send them a sarcastic email asking them if they had any maths qualifications and why 42 days was less than the 28 the law allows

I know how you feel and that is why having a planning consultant/architect/agent as your representative can be so important; we have to take the emotion out of the situation however much you want to scream and shout it doesn't actually make a diffence.

 

[Blue.]

They have now come back a fortnight after the 28 days were up and said if I don't prove the buildings are not for reasonable agricultural use they are going to refuse them.
My tin shed is OK but not the brick one. 15x5m single storey. There's hardly a single farm yard around here that doesn't have such a shed. I'm not very happy tonight.
The whole thing, 2 sheds and concrete yard only comes to 710m2, nearly 300m2 less than a single shed would be allowed.

Don't assume the day you sent the application in is the registered date,the details should be online.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Don't assume the day you sent the application in is the registered date,the details should be online.

I have checked this online for @Kidds and the only date shown is the received date.

 

[masseyman74]

I had an issue with 28 day planning! They wrote to me 2 days before the 28 days were up asking for more evidence. I wanted a 60x45 shed on just over 11 acres. I had to give details of how many animals I have. They then came back saying I didn’t need that size barn! I then went back to them with regards of feed storage etc. I also gave them details of the rented ground I have. I did get the planning in the end though.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I have checked with others with more experience and @Kidds Case Officer is within their rights to ask for more information as if they are in any doubt his buildings are not solely for agricultural use then they wouldn't be PD. It may be a blessing as if he proceeds assuming they are PD and they are later to be found not to be PD then it could get difficult with retrospective.

 

[beef 1]

I need elevation plans to support a prior notification application for a genuine 120ft x40ft x 15ft basic portal frame shed .or similar size .
scale 1-100 or
1-200
I was wondering if anyone had any they have used and were willing to share or part with a copy

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I need elevation plans to support a prior notification application for a genuine 120ft x40ft x 15ft basic portal frame shed .or similar size .
scale 1-100 or
1-200
I was wondering if anyone had any they have used and were willing to share or part with a copy

Are you getting the shed from a supplier or self build? Most shed companies will be able to supply you with plans for the shed they are supplying.

 

[rob1]

I have checked with others with more experience and @Kidds Case Officer is within their rights to ask for more information as if they are in any doubt his buildings are not solely for agricultural use then they wouldn't be PD. It may be a blessing as if he proceeds assuming they are PD and they are later to be found not to be PD then it could get difficult with retrospective.

But as he put in a PD application surely they should have asked before the time limit and IMVHO if they are saying they have doubts about its use despite the applicant saying thats what they are for they are effectively calling him a liar, unless the design is blatantly not ag, and if its use actually turns not to be ag then they could enofrce against it

 

[beef 1]

Are you getting the shed from a supplier or self build? Most shed companies will be able to supply you with plans for the shed they are supplying.

That part is still to be decided, after I know they arnt going to stop it . Im only looking for elevation drawings to scale .

 

[Still Farming]

Any time limits on paid pre planning chat/advice with LA .
Months pass easily???

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Any time limits on paid pre planning chat/advice with LA .
Months pass easily???

There is no formal time limit but you are well within your rights to chase them after a few weeks. If you don't get a satisfactory response don't be afraid to contact the head of planning and say you are unhappy with the time it has taken and request a refund of your fee and an explanation.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

That part is still to be decided, after I know they arnt going to stop it . Im only looking for elevation drawings to scale .

Drop me a PM or an email at [email protected]

 

[beef 1]

Drop me a PM or an email at [email protected]

Thanks for the offer , Ive decided that as its purely elevation side and end drawings to scale, I should stop being defeatist and do them myself using a conversion tool and a simplistic design , It may be a mistake , but there ye go , Ill let you know !