Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

Still Farming

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Mixed Farmer
Location
South Wales UK
Finding any developers is the part I'm struggling with. I managed to find details from local planning applications of who did them and contacted a few of them but they are either gone or have gotten too big. Seems to be builders who build 1 house at a time or big ones who want 50+.
I have approached a few agents and am awaiting responses.
Have you looked on your Local Council or authority planning web pages as applications with simular situations may crop up and agents and details shown?
 

where is hardy

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BASE UK Member
Location
Cambridge
I am looking to take down and old brick grain shed which is not usable with todays equipment . Do I need planning permission to replace it with a new grain store ? The footprint of the new building would be 60m *40m and the old building is 50m* 10m.
 
Can anyone tell me does an ag building have to be a certain age before you can get a class Q on it?
Q.1 Development is not permitted by Class Q if—

(a) the site was not used solely for an agricultural use as part of an established agricultural unit—

(i) on 20th March 2013, or

(ii) in the case of a building which was in use before that date but was not in use on that date, when it was last in use, or

(iii) in the case of a site which was brought into use after 20th March 2013, for a period of at least 10 years before the date development under Class Q begins;
 

Adam@Rumen

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Location
Nantwich/Rishton
Had a random thought over the weekend...

Old stone barns that have collapsed in. Some still have remnants of the roof, some you can only see the footings and various stones. Can they just be rebuilt for the purposes of agriculture? Could have been untouched for anything from 20 to 100 years ago...
 
Had a random thought over the weekend...

Old stone barns that have collapsed in. Some still have remnants of the roof, some you can only see the footings and various stones. Can they just be rebuilt for the purposes of agriculture? Could have been untouched for anything from 20 to 100 years ago...
I think once it has gone past a point of 'doing it up' and it turns into a rebuild it can not be classed as a building anymore. It is very subjective and I don't think there is a clear answer.
 

kill

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South West
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I have a possible land fill tip site for tipping sub soil with easy access for around 10000 tons of material and just wondering if anyone has been through the planning process for something similar as would like to reinstate my field? Many thanks
 
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I have a possible land fill tip site for tipping sub soil with easy access for around 10000 tons of material and just wondering if anyone has been through the planning process for something similar as would like to reinstate my field? Many thanks
A few years ago we prepared an application for inert landfill, the clients decided not to proceed with the application but we had a pre-app with the council and the application needed to be quite elaborate. We had to get a massing survey done to calculate the volume, a traffic management plan to manage the vehicle movements, ecology, hydrology and LVIA assessments.
Seems quite daunting but at the time the client would have made a substantial profit from the tipping fees.
 

kill

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South West
A few years ago we prepared an application for inert landfill, the clients decided not to proceed with the application but we had a pre-app with the council and the application needed to be quite elaborate. We had to get a massing survey done to calculate the volume, a traffic management plan to manage the vehicle movements, ecology, hydrology and LVIA assessments.
Seems quite daunting but at the time the client would have made a substantial profit from the tipping fees.
I know a 1000 tons can be tipped each year fairly hassle free but that’s 10 years before I can Square that area up properly but it would be nice to sort this out as the depth of that hole from the higher field is around 40ft which is dangerous really
 
I know a 1000 tons can be tipped each year fairly hassle free but that’s 10 years before I can Square that area up properly but it would be nice to sort this out as the depth of that hole from the higher field is around 40ft which is dangerous really
If you would like to look into this further then I would suggest a pre-app with your Local Authority. We would be happy to assist if required.
 

kill

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South West
If you would like to look into this further then I would suggest a pre-app with your Local Authority. We would be happy to assist if required.
I have approached a couple of lorry firms that Specialise in tip lorry’s and offered the site for them to do everything from planning - full Reinstatement at no cost but no one has bite yet so it may well be an idea to achieve planning and then charge per load. Thanks
 
Just seen this morning that a Class Q Prior Approval has been Refused (and Appeal Dismissed) in Bradford on the location of the barn being undesirable.

Paragraph Q.2 1. (e) states:
...whether the location or siting of the building makes it otherwise impractical or undesirable for the building to change from agricultural use to a use falling within Class C3 (dwellinghouses) of the Schedule to the Use Classes Order.

Another nail in the coffin for Class Q I fear; once other Local Authorities cotton on to this new case law I feel any Class Q that will impact on its surroundings will be refused.

Over recent years Class Q has been more and more difficult with Local Authorities finding new justification to refuse.
 

Kidds

Member
Horticulture
On what grounds was it claimed to be undesirable?

EDIT: Found it. https://planning.bradford.gov.uk/on.../pdf/20_01389_PAR-DECISION_LETTER-5844227.pdf
1. The Local Planning Authority considers that the location and siting of the building make it undesirable to change its use to a dwelling due to the harm that would arise as a result of the introduction of a domestic use in an isolated, open countryside location that is not adjacent to the highway The building is isolated and its conversion would create a remotely located home entirely unrelated to any other buildings or features of this exposed, upland countryside. The introduction of a domestic curtilage, car parking, internal/external lighting, improvement and formalisation of the access and domestic activity would all detract from the character of this open, upland landscape.
 
On what grounds was it claimed to be undesirable?

EDIT: Found it. https://planning.bradford.gov.uk/on.../pdf/20_01389_PAR-DECISION_LETTER-5844227.pdf
That's it. It has been causing uproar in the planning community as it has always been understood that Class Q would create residential dwellings in locations not normally considered appropriate but this has really thrown a spanner in the works. If it had just been a council decision I would have just said it was a bad decision but as it was upheld at Appeal it is now Case Law.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
That's it. It has been causing uproar in the planning community as it has always been understood that Class Q would create residential dwellings in locations not normally considered appropriate but this has really thrown a spanner in the works. If it had just been a council decision I would have just said it was a bad decision but as it was upheld at Appeal it is now Case Law.
The only saving grace might be the inclusion of the word "upland". It doesn't necessarily apply to any non-upland site.
 

AJ123

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South east
Can anyone tell me are there any protections for 86 act tenants if Landlords are trying to gain consent for converting barns on their holdings?
through either full planning or class Q?
 
Can anyone tell me are there any protections for 86 act tenants if Landlords are trying to gain consent for converting barns on their holdings?
through either full planning or class Q?
By obtaining planning either by Class Q or Full Planning does not remove any other legal obstacle. I have no experience of 86 Act tenancies but, for example, when a covenant restricts development and planning is granted the covenant is still valid. Equally the Planning Officer can not take these civil matters into account.
 

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