Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

[George from SJM Planning]

@George from SJM Planning I put a PD in to alter a shed 4 years ago, for various reasons I did not carry this out and no alterations were carried out.

Do I still have Class Q rights?

Providing you meet all other criteria - yes. If you didn't implement the PD it won't preclude a Class Q application.

 

[Cereal Killer]

Hi

Permitted development - I'm curious to know what counts as a main agricultural holding for the 5 Ha rule. e.g. is a 20 year FBT permanent enough?

I'm just wondering how it would be viewed if a tenant on a long term FBT then bought a small parcel of land (minimum 1 Ha) a couple of miles away and submitted a PD app for farm buildings that were ancillary to their overall farm business.
The buildings would be required to expand an existing farming operation.

Could it then be argued that the tenant wanted to locate the buildings on land that they owned rather than the landlords?

Thanks

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Hi

Permitted development - I'm curious to know what counts as a main agricultural holding for the 5 Ha rule. e.g. is a 20 year FBT permanent enough?

I'm just wondering how it would be viewed if a tenant on a long term FBT then bought a small parcel of land (minimum 1 Ha) a couple of miles away and submitted a PD app for farm buildings that were ancillary to their overall farm business.
The buildings would be required to expand an existing farming operation.

Could it then be argued that the tenant wanted to locate the buildings on land that they owned rather than the landlords?

Thanks

That would be an entirely acceptable Prior Approval application providing it meets all other criteria. Proof or the FBT would need to be provided and I would make sure a covering letter includes details in layperson speak (planners aren't farmers).

 

[Cereal Killer]

Thanks for your helpful reply George

 

[atlas]

My father in law sold off his farm yard a few years ago with planning on and one building had used the class q permitted development right that was a steel frame parlour shed and the traditional barns had full planning granted for conversion to residential . I think this was done in 2017 does this stop him applying for a farm building now on permitted development or does it need to be full planning he is looking to do a 100ft x 50 ft building to have some where to tip some grain store bales as he has no other building at the moment .

 

[George from SJM Planning]

My father in law sold off his farm yard a few years ago with planning on and one building had used the class q permitted development right that was a steel frame parlour shed and the traditional barns had full planning granted for conversion to residential . I think this was done in 2017 does this stop him applying for a farm building now on permitted development or does it need to be full planning he is looking to do a 100ft x 50 ft building to have some where to tip some grain store bales as he has no other building at the moment .

If at the time the Class Q was approved the land was part of the same holding then your FIL will need full planning permission for any agricultural buildings for 10 years after the Class Q was enacted.

 

[atlas]

If at the time the Class Q was approved the land was part of the same holding then your FIL will need full planning permission for any agricultural buildings for 10 years after the Class Q was enacted.

just out of interest does this follow my father in law or the land specific to the holding at the time the class Q is enacted if some else had the land would they have to apply for full planning also .

 

[George from SJM Planning]

just out of interest does this follow my father in law or the land specific to the holding at the time the class Q is enacted if some else had the land would they have to apply for full planning also .

It follows the land. Planning permission is not given to the person it is given to the land.

 

[Still Farming]

Something different with planning again in ENGLAND ?

https://www.facebook.com/45093379305/posts/10160289011774306

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Something different with planning again in ENGLAND ?

https://www.facebook.com/45093379305/posts/10160289011774306

Haven't you been following this then?

Reducing nutrients in our rivers and the Solent | Hampshire and Isle of Wight Wildlife Trust

Hampshire & Isle of Wight Wildlife Trust is demonstrating a nature-based solution to mitigating nitrate pollution in our rivers and the Solent through rewilding intensively managed agricultural land.

www.hiwwt.org.uk

How our Nitrate Reduction Programme works

Our Nitrate Reduction Programme is demonstrating a way of mitigating and reducing the impact of nitrates on the Solent from planned housing developments, through the creation of new nature reserves on formerly intensively managed farmland - creating new habitats for local wildlife and helping nature to recover.

Our nature-based solution works by acquiring intensively managed farmland, which is currently releasing nutrients into the Solent, and returning it to its natural habitats, such as traditionally grazed meadows, wetlands or woodlands.

Our programme is not the only option available to local authorities and developers. But, there are benefits of our programme that are not provided by other mitigation options:

Our programme is the only programme that puts the restoration of wildlife at its core.
Developments must pass our screening process and demonstrate no net loss of biodiversity.
Our rewilding sites will reduce nitrates from farming by taking land out of intensive agriculture.
To achieve this, we purchase low-quality, intensively managed farmland, which is releasing nutrients into the Solent, and rewild this land to create thriving nature reserves.

 

[steveR]

Haven't you been following this then?

Reducing nutrients in our rivers and the Solent | Hampshire and Isle of Wight Wildlife Trust

Hampshire & Isle of Wight Wildlife Trust is demonstrating a nature-based solution to mitigating nitrate pollution in our rivers and the Solent through rewilding intensively managed agricultural land.

www.hiwwt.org.uk

How our Nitrate Reduction Programme works

Our Nitrate Reduction Programme is demonstrating a way of mitigating and reducing the impact of nitrates on the Solent from planned housing developments, through the creation of new nature reserves on formerly intensively managed farmland - creating new habitats for local wildlife and helping nature to recover.

Our nature-based solution works by acquiring intensively managed farmland, which is currently releasing nutrients into the Solent, and returning it to its natural habitats, such as traditionally grazed meadows, wetlands or woodlands.

Our programme is not the only option available to local authorities and developers. But, there are benefits of our programme that are not provided by other mitigation options:

Our programme is the only programme that puts the restoration of wildlife at its core.
Developments must pass our screening process and demonstrate no net loss of biodiversity.
Our rewilding sites will reduce nitrates from farming by taking land out of intensive agriculture.
To achieve this, we purchase low-quality, intensively managed farmland, which is releasing nutrients into the Solent, and rewild this land to create thriving nature reserves.

Similiar to the Biodiversity Offset scams schemes really.

Pass the buck elsewhere.

 

[Adam@Rumen]

Had a random thought at the weekend.

If a building goes up with no PP you have 4 years (?) to keep your head down until it becomes "lawful". But if you apply for planning permission and it gets granted, then you build something different, what happens then?

 

[Still Farming]

Had a random thought at the weekend.

If a building goes up with no PP you have 4 years (?) to keep your head down until it becomes "lawful". But if you apply for planning permission and it gets granted, then you build something different, what happens then?

Keep head down is it possibly untill enforcement officer or building control calls and put retrospective amendments in if kicks off, allegedly?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Had a random thought at the weekend.

If a building goes up with no PP you have 4 years (?) to keep your head down until it becomes "lawful". But if you apply for planning permission and it gets granted, then you build something different, what happens then?

Yes erection of a building is 4 years however if you get planning permission and build something different to the approved plans then it is 10 years as it will be classed as failure to comply with a planning condition (generally Condition 2 states "The development hereby permitted shall be carried out in accordance with the following approved plans....").

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Had a random thought at the weekend.

If a building goes up with no PP you have 4 years (?) to keep your head down until it becomes "lawful". But if you apply for planning permission and it gets granted, then you build something different, what happens then?

10 years unless it's residential.

 

[Adam@Rumen]

Interesting, thank you

 

[sant2468]

I have some inquiries regarding Class Q.


1. My barn is two stories tall. How do you calculate the size of the prospective property area? Do you measure the first floor in addition to the ground floor, or simply the ground floor?

2. I would like to convert 2 buildings. Can I submit a class q application for property number one and a class q application for property number two two years later?

3. We own a horticultural holding. Does the remainder of our horticultural assets get affected if we submit a class q application for the property (even if we lose) ? i.e., we can't develop structures related to the plant nursery and cultivate plants?

 

[Forever Fendt]

I have some inquiries regarding Class Q.


1. My barn is two stories tall. How do you calculate the size of the prospective property area? Do you measure the first floor in addition to the ground floor, or simply the ground floor?

2. I would like to convert 2 buildings. Can I submit a class q application for property number one and a class q application for property number two two years later?

3. We own a horticultural holding. Does the remainder of our horticultural assets get affected if we submit a class q application for the property (even if we lose) ? i.e., we can't develop structures related to the plant nursery and cultivate plants?

Is the barn in agricultural use at the moment or horticultural

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Is the barn in agricultural use at the moment or horticultural

Horticulture comes under agriculture anyway as a use class so Class Q is fine.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

I have some inquiries regarding Class Q.


1. My barn is two stories tall. How do you calculate the size of the prospective property area? Do you measure the first floor in addition to the ground floor, or simply the ground floor?

2. I would like to convert 2 buildings. Can I submit a class q application for property number one and a class q application for property number two two years later?

3. We own a horticultural holding. Does the remainder of our horticultural assets get affected if we submit a class q application for the property (even if we lose) ? i.e., we can't develop structures related to the plant nursery and cultivate plants?

I'll have a proper read of your questions and give you a full reply but what size is the two storey building?