Planning permission for biomass boilers

I could understand the need for planning if you need to build the structure to house the system but if installed in an existing building? We had to install a new Flue pipe for our domestic system that was installed inside a listed building. I think we had the listed buildings officer come take a look prior to install and was happy for us to proceed without a planning application, but I don't recall us having any paperwork to that effect. :nailbiting:
Something like that should have had proper listed building consent. It's a free application to make but will cover your a** in the future.
 

renewablejohn

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I could understand the need for planning if you need to build the structure to house the system but if installed in an existing building? We had to install a new Flue pipe for our domestic system that was installed inside a listed building. I think we had the listed buildings officer come take a look prior to install and was happy for us to proceed without a planning application, but I don't recall us having any paperwork to that effect. :nailbiting:
You have my complete sympathy. I have had the reverse with an old asbestos flue pipe to an Aga that had been removed. Was being told I could not remove the useless pipe as part of the listing. However it "blew down in a storm" and the new approved listing building consent does not show any flue pipe.
 

renewablejohn

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Install a permanent supply point a few yards from the tunnels then plug the temporary cables you currently connect to the generator into it.... similarly have a water supply to a storage vessel at the same point and a temporary pump to transfer the water to your temporary IBC :whistle:
Big difference between what happens in theory and what happens in practice but you on the right wavelength apart from the water being gravity fed from my stream.
 

Chickcatcher

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Well I failed again begining to be a regular occurance.
Where ever you have a biomass boiler you need permission specifically for it, be it in a building, a container, or even freestanding. The permission must state Biomass Boiler, I had applied for a Wood pellet boiler, Lawful Certificate of use but really pulled up on it by planners.
The only benifit I can see of going down the Lawful certificate route is that you dont loose the install, but local council not overly helpful but they are going to gain £700 for my request then there are the maps and photos for my 3 sea containers 9Mtrs*2.4mtrs*2.4mtrs

Edit just been looking through 2014 RHI application there is a question about being registered for IPPC but no mention of planning permission.
from the application
HG170.
Are you regulated under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2010 or the Pollution Prevention and Control (Scotland) Regulations 2000?
the answer was yes and variation done to permit
 
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akaPABLO01

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Going to have a word with our local planning authority this week
Their website states that permission is only needed if a flue sticks up more than 1m above building, which ours doesnt
This should have been part of the RHI application not 4 years down the line
Is your boiler domestic or commercial?

I ask because, domestic which is what <45kW requires MCS certification which the installer is qualified to sign the work off under building control and the 1m rule applies. Those who circumvented the MCS registration above 45 (systems that didn’t need MCS) were installed by anyone, usually not correctly insured. These needed to apply for planning and either received a slip of paper saying it met building control regs and was permitted development or was refused.

I may be wrong? But that was my interpretation. The MCS body would notify planning once registered under permitted development and would receive an audit from mcs who go through the installation chosen randomly.

This is a funky new layout site design for mobile, need to get used to this.
 

Dman2

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Durham, UK
Is your boiler domestic or commercial?

I ask because, domestic which is what <45kW requires MCS certification which the installer is qualified to sign the work off under building control and the 1m rule applies. Those who circumvented the MCS registration above 45 (systems that didn’t need MCS) were installed by anyone, usually not correctly insured. These needed to apply for planning and either received a slip of paper saying it met building control regs and was permitted development or was refused.

I may be wrong? But that was my interpretation. The MCS body would notify planning once registered under permitted development and would receive an audit from mcs who go through the installation chosen randomly.

This is a funky new layout site design for mobile, need to get used to this.
Ours is 100kw commercial
 

Dman2

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Durham, UK
Unfortunately it just states the evidence is not required at time of application
Doesn`t say you don`t need Planning permission
 

akaPABLO01

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No Ofgem don`t say you need PP
But planning authority do
  • The capacity of the system must not exceed 45 kilowatts thermal.
  • Only the first installation of a flue as part of either a biomass heating system or a combined heat and power system will be permitted development. Further installations will require planning permission from the local authority.
  • The flue must not be more than one metre higher than the highest part of the roof, or the height of an existing flue which is being replaced, whichever is the highest.
  • Permitted development rights do not apply to installing flues on listed buildings, within the grounds of a listed building, or on a site designated as a scheduled monument.
Restrictions
If the building is on designated land* the flue should not be installed on a wall or roof slope which fronts a highway.
* Designated land includes national parks and the Broads, Areas of Outstanding Natural Beauty, conservation areas and World Heritage Sites.
If you are a leaseholder you may need to get permission from your landlord, freeholder or management company.

This has nothing to do with boiler accreditation. Just stick the boiler in a shipping container if you can’t get planning?
 

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Written by Rachel Martin

NFU Cymru members and Assembly Members have been celebrating the role that Welsh farmers play in producing nutritious, high quality, safe affordable food during an event at the Senedd today on World Food Day (October 16).

The lunchtime event, which was sponsored by Llyr Gruffydd AM, included a special menu of fine Welsh produce.

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