? Planning permission needed for gas bottles

[mrsmojos]

I recently bought a small holding with a grade 2 converted barn.
The cooker is an electric hob and was left by the previous owners and is clapped out.
I want to replace is with a gas range - but there's no gas supply and it'll need propane bottles which will need us to make access through the kitchen wall for the pipe, and to store the bottles and provide a shelter - do I need planning permission?
I emailed the council to ask their advice but they were as useful as a chocolate teapot and told me I can pay £60 for a planning officer to look at my query.
Would rather not!
All advice gratefully appreciated, thank you!!

 

[Ffermer Bach]

do you need a shelter for the bottles? most people seem to just have them outside I think.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

You will need listed building consent at the very least. LBC applications are free. If you are constructing a shelter you will also need planning permission.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I remember a local builder telling me about the problems he had, there was a area on the side of his house that was a natural place to extend the roof to store logs, can't remember if the house was listed but when it got reported to the planning department it caused all sorts of problems, so I know everyone on here says just do it, but I would err on the side of caution and ask or stick with an electric cooker.

 

[HatsOff]

I remember a local builder telling me about the problems he had, there was a area on the side of his house that was a natural place to extend the roof to store logs, can't remember if the house was listed but when it got reported to the planning department it caused all sorts of problems, so I know everyone on here says just do it, but I would err on the side of caution and ask or stick with an electric cooker.

Well it's not a crime to break planning rules. But it is a crime to not comply with an enforcement notice.

For something minor like a gas bottle shelter, I would just do it. Anything that requires substantial investment and is difficult to reverse, I would get planning permission in advance.

 

[Highland Mule]

Try an electric induction hob - including cleaning it after you've spilled something. Unless you have electrical supply constraints, you really don't want gas.

 

[mrsmojos]

do you need a shelter for the bottles? most people seem to just have them outside I think.

I think we would need a shelter to disguise them as the kitchen is at the front of the house so it will be visible to the public - I think that is the problem.

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I think a shelter would be so small, it would be fine, my opinion, but I think Highland Mule's idea is better

 

[Courier]

Try an electric induction hob - including cleaning it after you've spilled something. Unless you have electrical supply constraints, you really don't want gas.

Good excuse for the Missus to go pan shopping ...

 

[Doing it for the kids]

gas needs safety checks, replacement bit and bobs, bottle to replace etc.

induction every time

 

[HatsOff]

Oh yeah, what was I saying? Get induction hobs.

I've lived with gas but now have induction. Induction are waaay better - almost as quick to heat, much more responsive, easier to clean and can have clever setting that detect the temperature of the pans etc.

 

[Oliveau]

I recently bought a small holding with a grade 2 converted barn.
The cooker is an electric hob and was left by the previous owners and is clapped out.
I want to replace is with a gas range - but there's no gas supply and it'll need propane bottles which will need us to make access through the kitchen wall for the pipe, and to store the bottles and provide a shelter - do I need planning permission?
I emailed the council to ask their advice but they were as useful as a chocolate teapot and told me I can pay £60 for a planning officer to look at my query.
Would rather not!
All advice gratefully appreciated, thank you!!

You will only need two 47kg bottles with an automatic changeover valve so their shouldn’t be an issue.

 

[Sharpy]

Put the bottles somewhere unobtrusive and a longer feed pipe to the cooker, they don't need to be outside the kitchen.

 

[br jones]

a gas hob wouldnt use a 19kg bottle a year,definatly dont need 2 x 47kg bottles

 

[Courier]

a gas hob wouldnt use a 19kg bottle a year,definatly dont need 2 x 47kg bottles

Our gas range uses about a 47kg every 6 months. My OH is an incredible cook though.

 

[Oliveau]

a gas hob wouldnt use a 19kg bottle a year,definatly dont need 2 x 47kg bottles

The OP intends to install a range cooker so there will be oven(s) as well. I stand by my 2x47 bottles - duty & standby.

 

[Highland Mule]

The OP intends to install a range cooker so there will be oven(s) as well. I stand by my 2x47 bottles - duty & standby.

Not necessarily - AGA has gas hob and electric ovens - best of both worlds, allegedly (although I'd stand by my recommendation of induction hob).

 

[George from SJM Planning]

This is starting to sound like a "which pickup" thread. @mrsmojos only wanted to know about planning and listed building consent.

 

[farmerm]

The OP intends to install a range cooker so there will be oven(s) as well. I stand by my 2x47 bottles - duty & standby.

a range with or without a back boiler and 12 radiators to heat....

 

[Courier]

Must admit that an “Aga” type range in a well insulated house would not be my choice nowadays and when the kitchen next gets a makeover it will be an eye level fan oven with grill and a smart induction hob.