planning permission to remove top soil?

[JohnB94]

Morning all.

do you need planning permission to remove top soil from a small grass paddock?
This paddock is on the roadside next to another house but is well screened. We have been trying for years to get permission for a house or shed their for years to no avail.
The paddock is too small and inpractical to keep livestock on for more than a couple weeks.
My plan to to take up a few inches of the top soil, pack road planings down, put some old machinery implements on it for a few years and then apply for a shed to store machinery.
what do you think? Is that legal?
Thanks

 

[Kidds]

You need planning permission to do that.

 

[JohnB94]

You need planning permission to do that.

What about just the top soil part?

 

[tullah]

There's nothing you don't have to ask jobsworths permission for to do anything on your property. It creates massive employment. I swear all the jobsworths put together account for 50% of the workforce. The remaining 50% are subbing them.

 

[JohnB94]

I should make the message clearer. I know you need PP for the shed ect but do you need it just to remove the top soil and put road chipping down?

 

[Alchad]

I’m pretty sure that would be classed as an ‘engineering operation’ and would need planning permission. Google ‘planning permission to remove soil’ and you’ll find quite a few links.

 

[Highland Mule]

Morning all.

do you need planning permission to remove top soil from a small grass paddock?
This paddock is on the roadside next to another house but is well screened. We have been trying for years to get permission for a house or shed their for years to no avail.
The paddock is too small and inpractical to keep livestock on for more than a couple weeks.
My plan to to take up a few inches of the top soil, pack road planings down, put some old machinery implements on it for a few years and then apply for a shed to store machinery.
what do you think? Is that legal?
Thanks

Great idea. Create an eyesore and give our industry a bad name, all to cheat the planning system.

 

[Kidds]

I should make the message clearer. I know you need PP for the shed ect but do you need it just to remove the top soil and put road chipping down?

I will make my message clearer, yes you need planning permission to do that.

 

[Steevo]

Morning all.

do you need planning permission to remove top soil from a small grass paddock?
This paddock is on the roadside next to another house but is well screened. We have been trying for years to get permission for a house or shed their for years to no avail.
The paddock is too small and inpractical to keep livestock on for more than a couple weeks.
My plan to to take up a few inches of the top soil, pack road planings down, put some old machinery implements on it for a few years and then apply for a shed to store machinery.
what do you think? Is that legal?
Thanks

If you’re struggling to get a house and a shed, you’ll keep struggling unless you can address why you are being turned down. There is no doubt a reason behind it, whether you like or agree with it or not.
The planning history of refusals and reasons why will remain on file no matter what you do.

Carrying out works like you propose requires planning permission just the same. If you go ahead without permission, especially having been turned down for a house/shed you’ll get the planners backs up. They’d probably fine you and require me you to reinstate it, and then you’ve scuppered all your futures chances.

Storing old machinery on a site won’t make a justification for a shed or a house.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Before the days of Dalhman rollers we removed loads of topsoil when growing spuds. Didn't have any planning permission.

Would need pp to put the stone down though.

 

[JohnB94]

Great idea. Create an eyesore and give our industry a bad name, all to cheat the planning system.

Hedgerows are all 10feet tall that surround the paddock so won’t be an eyesore

 

[JohnB94]

If you’re struggling to get a house and a shed, you’ll keep struggling unless you can address why you are being turned down. There is no doubt a reason behind it, whether you like or agree with it or not.
The planning history of refusals and reasons why will remain on file no matter what you do.

Carrying out works like you propose requires planning permission just the same. If you go ahead without permission, especially having been turned down for a house/shed you’ll get the planners backs up. They’d probably fine you and require me you to reinstate it, and then you’ve scuppered all your futures chances.

Storing old machinery on a site won’t make a justification for a shed or a house.

We tried for a small shed their a couple years ago. Council opposed it as they chose altertive sites on the farm, which was fair enough.
So the reason why I want to store a few implements their is to then go back to them later down the line and say I’d like a shed to store these implements under. At the moment it is a green field by the roadside so I believe that’s why they are reluctant to give PP for a house/shed

 

[JohnB94]

Great idea. Create an eyesore and give our industry a bad name, all to cheat the planning system.

Name a farmer that doesn’t try to bend the rules in their favour!

 

[Highland Mule]

Name a farmer that doesn’t try to bend the rules in their favour!

Plenty don't - plenty of us have morals too.

 

[JohnB94]

Plenty don't - plenty of us have morals too.

Wanting an area to store farm implements. Lock me up and throw away the key

 

[Highland Mule]

Wanting an area to store farm implements. Lock me up and throw away the key

Read back the first post again. It’s clear that you intend to park junk as a way to create a need, not to satisfy one.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Yes you do need planning permission for the creation of the hardstanding, the removal of the topsoil would be seen as an engineering operation related to this and therefore needs planning.
The storing of implements there will not increase your chances of getting a building there in the future, it will still fall foul of the policies cited previously.
Can you not apply under Prior Approval rather than Full Planning?

 

[theboytheboy]

What of you remove topsoil and put back soil with lots of stones in it?...asking for a friend

 

[Dry Rot]

Read back the first post again. It’s clear that you intend to park junk as a way to create a need, not to satisfy one.

That would be a perfectly legitimate use in the Highlands not requiring planning permission which would be granted under permitted development anyway, assuming you are one of the ones the law applies equally to.

 

[herman]

JFDI