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teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
You have more confidence in them than me!

They have a big book of rules. They follow the rules. When you apply, you state the rules. Objectors who don't state the rules loose.

Policy seems to be quite pro-tree. Last thing anyone needs is "local nimbys in £500k house object to trees in heavily deforested area". Spins both ways.

Keep powder dry / cards close to chest etc.
 
Thanks for the tag @teslacoils.

@Olivia Eveleigh the land owner will need Planning Permission for the first 25m of the track from the public highway boundary but the track from that point on may be considered Permitted Development under Schedule 2 Part 6 Class A of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 2015 (as amended) but they would still have been required to seek Prior Approval from the council so for the works to have been lawful an application of some kind must be approved by the council.

If you can find no evidence of this then report it as a possible breach of planning to the Planning Enforcement team at the council.
 

GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
I can see much more of this sort of thing happening, there's big money to be made from splitting up agricultural land to tempt the growing number of people who desire to have an escape from urban life. But all the people who complain farmers own too much of the countryside might change their mind as more and more tidy, open fields are split up, fenced off, tracks laid down and a multitude of little sheds are erected
 
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GeorgeK

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Location
Leicestershire
This sounds a bit like what the OP is referring to. They buy ag land, split it up and market it as 'forestry plots'. It's actually very clever because forestry land benefits from permitted development that allows tracks and buildings and does not require the minimum amount of land (5ha) needed for agricultural PD
 
This sounds a bit like what the OP is referring to. They buy ag land, split it up and market it as 'forestry plots'. It's actually very clever because forestry land benefits from permitted development that allows tracks and buildings and does not require the minimum amount of land (5ha) needed for agricultural PD
Interesting as Forestry and Agriculture both come under Part 6 so the area of the holding still does apply when considering Permitted Development rights, there is no distinction between the two uses in the GPDO.

I can see much more of this sort of thing happening, there's big money to be made from splitting up agricultural land to tempt the growing number of people who desire to have an escape from urban life. But all the people who complain farmers own too much of the countryside might change their mind as more and more tidy, open fields are split up, fenced off, tracks laid down and a multitude of little sheds are erected

This is becoming a real problem in the planning community; unscrupulous landowners splitting up plots and selling them to unwitting townies wanting to escape the hustle and bustle that has confined them during this coronavirus pandemic. I have fielded tens of of enquiries for people wanting to place mobile homes, caravans, yurts or lodges on small acres of land they have seen for sale as an alternative to live in in in a studio flat in an urban area. The situation isn't helped by estate agents listing them as potential for occupation subject to appropriate consents, this is completely misleading and negligent of the estate agents. I know personally of one plot of land near Brands Hatch that is being sold off in half acre plots for £20k a time with £5k non refundable deposits, the landowner allowance the prospective buyers to enter into pre-apps with the council while they hold the £5k and where the pre-apps came back stating their needs to exceptional circumstances for residential use to be suitable then the the prospective buyers have only one option, to walk away £5k lighter than they arrived.
As I understand it the local authority, the police and trading standards are looking into the case tomsee if there is anything they can do to stop it.
 

Kidds

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Horticulture
They have a big book of rules. They follow the rules. When you apply, you state the rules. Objectors who don't state the rules loose.
I know of quite a few instances around here where that has not been the case. One of them it was me submitting the objection and I did state the rules that had clearly been broken. They did look into it and agreed the rules had been broken but told me they had decided not to do anything about it.
 

curlietailz

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Arable Farmer
Location
Sedgefield
“This is becoming a real problem in the planning community; unscrupulous landowners splitting up plots and selling them to unwitting townies wanting to escape the hustle and bustle “
Supply and Demand

if you can find people who want to pay £20k for half an acre that sounds like a great deal

Although I reckon the countryside will look like a large scale Allotment site before long

wouldn’t want that on my doorstop
 
It means planning and land use is very emotive. And those who have strong opinions on what should occur on other people's land should take care when thinking aloud in public.

The planning process allows for many, many things. Folk often don't "like" what other people do to their land. But from experience any dislike needs to be put in correct planning terms. Excess traffic? A single track road can easily take 90 articulated lorry journeys a day. Views, while emotive, are not going to cut it unless it's a view of St Paul's etc.

The last thing anyone needs is a parish council or social media excitement based on our forum advice (I'm merely a farmer). But be assured that if it's not right, the planning authority will sort it out.

Hopefully we've been some use. But wait until @George from SJM Planning has had a look.

epic advice as usual.

a good example is a View. No one has the right to one of the rolling hills from their living room window. They think they have and complain on an application stating loss of view.

unless it’s a privacy issue the planners tend to ignore them!
 
Thanks for the tag @teslacoils.

@Olivia Eveleigh the land owner will need Planning Permission for the first 25m of the track from the public highway boundary but the track from that point on may be considered Permitted Development under Schedule 2 Part 6 Class A of the Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 2015 (as amended) but they would still have been required to seek Prior Approval from the council so for the works to have been lawful an application of some kind must be approved by the council.

If you can find no evidence of this then report it as a possible breach of planning to the Planning Enforcement team at the council.
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If they are concerned about their view they should buy it
I guess so - but they'd have to buy a lot of plots now!! I do understand you can't protect a view and that its not a planning issue. Thanks.
 

D14

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Never used a forum before, but hope someone can offer some insight to a query - that I cant answer by googling! -
A nearby piece of agricultural land of about 35 acres has been sold. The buyer has quickly divided it into about 10 plots to be sold as 'tree planting' land. A significant 'metalled' access road with parking places has been constructed over the last few weeks so that each plot is served with access and parking. The land is therefore changing use, and moving from single ownership to multiple ownership of a number of plots. Should the new owner have planning permission for the road? Or for the change of use of the land. No planning applications relating to the land have been lodged and this would appear to be a commercial land development. Grateful for any insight.

So they have split the field into smaller paddocks and repaired a roadway .......... Thats what they'll be saying anyway. I can't see you have a case personally but its worth reporting it all the same.
 

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