Plastic or net ?? McHale Baler

[Poorbuthappy]

Ha , very good !!!
We use his combi to bale only as we wrap and stack in the yard - with a McHale 991 BE remote control ( sexy)hence the Traileyre !!
I was curious about the statement that you could use less bale wrap on the unwrapped bale with plastic instead of net .
I have spent half my life wrapping for customers and know that 750mm wrap covers a 4 ft bale once , at 8 turns (well 7 and a bit really) and we wrap ours 16 turns ,so its covered 50% overlap ,twice. so to use less wrap , I would have to decide to put 8 turns on instead of 16 , as putting 14 or whatever would be pointless!!
Anyroad , having seen some 15 micron?? plastic on our silage instead of net , its interesting but being as I need a robust covering for a bale (as theres nought worse than a busted bale on a traileyre ) I doubt its something we will bother with for our silage !!


Here endeth the lesson

Definitely wouldn't entertain 8 turns - 2 layers - plus the fusion plastic.

 

[Mr Mackay]

Definitely wouldn't entertain 8 turns - 2 layers - plus the fusion plastic.

No , exactly !! I quite like the idea of it on haylege mind you

 

[M-J-G]

This would be better as it still has a net and might save some plastic since it covers the edges
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=486323218195481&id=231533967007742

 

[dannewhouse]

Ha , very good !!!
We use his combi to bale only as we wrap and stack in the yard - with a McHale 991 BE remote control ( sexy)hence the Traileyre !!
I was curious about the statement that you could use less bale wrap on the unwrapped bale with plastic instead of net .
I have spent half my life wrapping for customers and know that 750mm wrap covers a 4 ft bale once , at 8 turns (well 7 and a bit really) and we wrap ours 16 turns ,so its covered 50% overlap ,twice. so to use less wrap , I would have to decide to put 8 turns on instead of 16 , as putting 14 or whatever would be pointless!!
Anyroad , having seen some 15 micron?? plastic on our silage instead of net , its interesting but being as I need a robust covering for a bale (as theres nought worse than a busted bale on a traileyre ) I doubt its something we will bother with for our silage !!


Here endeth the lesson

very interested in your opinion we are having the exact same debate the jd 575 baler is done so McHale I think next but what to get?
belt or fixed? probably chopper?
we love the traileryre but its no good if the net isn't 100% so the plastic is also a worry to us.
do you chop your bales? we don't but let a contractor do some 1st cut with 15 knives in McHale really good until a bale sticks and it cuts netwrap in middle then your f**ked! traileyre wont carry them so rebale
if we get a plastic capable baler can we put net on if its not for us? tanco multi shear for feeding out into trough.

we were thinking baler plastic + 18 spins (1 spin to blow off in wind and some bales aren't quite covered by 8 spins boss's money so up to him)

have you radio remote for wrapping? now that is the bees nees! we do! haha
second point at home I have a 6 bale volac (like a Wilson super chaser or keltec and it is better than traileyre!!!)

 

[Northeastfarmer]

This would be better as it still has a net and might save some plastic since it covers the edges
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=486323218195481&id=231533967007742

Looks a good machine that

 

[James]

very interested in your opinion we are having the exact same debate the jd 575 baler is done so McHale I think next but what to get?
belt or fixed? probably chopper?
we love the traileryre but its no good if the net isn't 100% so the plastic is also a worry to us.
do you chop your bales? we don't but let a contractor do some 1st cut with 15 knives in McHale really good until a bale sticks and it cuts netwrap in middle then your fudgeed! traileyre wont carry them so rebale
if we get a plastic capable baler can we put net on if its not for us? tanco multi shear for feeding out into trough.

we were thinking baler plastic + 18 spins (1 spin to blow off in wind and some bales aren't quite covered by 8 spins boss's money so up to him)

have you radio remote for wrapping? now that is the bees nees! we do! haha
second point at home I have a 6 bale volac (like a Wilson super chaser or keltec and it is better than traileyre!!!)

If majority of your baling is grass then fixed chamber. Why would you not chop????!!!
Yes the balers that do plastic can do net if prefered

 

[dannewhouse]

If majority of your baling is grass then fixed chamber. Why would you not chop????!!!
Yes the balers that do plastic can do net if prefered

it is but we try and get it high dm so quite dry so have been told belt would be better?
McHale don't do the plastic option on belt anyway.

only don't chop some atm due to bursting if your rough with them. but the few weve done recently have been a success although we haven't fed them yet but shouldn't be bad with tanco multishear

 

[Mr Mackay]

We chop all ours now . Spent a fair few years with a New Holland variable chamber baler doing ours . Solid stuff but as soon as we had a tub feeder mixer our troubles started .
Best baler that chopped in my eyes was the new Holland with a slitter roller ,but rare as hens teeth so we rarely chopped bales .
Tried unroller on loader , a Mc Hale bale slice and was considering a Keltec bale slice but couldn't see the wrap /net coming out clean (rightly or wrongly)
So last year we chopped nearly all ours and to be fair they carry ok on the Traileyre ,and if the swath is just right (VERY IMPORTANT) and the stuff dry enough then the bales are great out of a Combi, and should be out of any baler really!!
Plus , we spent a lot less time and diesel mixing the bales up in the Kuhn Euromix!!
And our man has the new model now that does net or plastic !!
As I say , I think for haylege it will be ideal , as I can get away with 16 /17 turns instead of 22/23 maybe ??
Mind give it a try .
Never tried the Volac ,seen it , but always struck me as being a bit reliant on level ground?? My son wants an 8 bale Traileyre now though ,as all the road work is getting too much !!

As for a reliable baler , this new Combi spent a couple of hrs being set up with the dealers help .
We had to rebale 4 bales due to the 15 micron plastic that came with the baler being a tad too frail (20 micron is better apparently) but once he got going , did 532 bales in 4 days (not a record I know , but 140 - 200 bales in a day with a Traileyre and me doing all the wrapping and stacking (30 an hour) its going a bit (at my age !!!)

 

[dannewhouse]

We chop all ours now . Spent a fair few years with a New Holland variable chamber baler doing ours . Solid stuff but as soon as we had a tub feeder mixer our troubles started .
Best baler that chopped in my eyes was the new Holland with a slitter roller ,but rare as hens teeth so we rarely chopped bales .
Tried unroller on loader , a Mc Hale bale slice and was considering a Keltec bale slice but couldn't see the wrap /net coming out clean (rightly or wrongly)
So last year we chopped nearly all ours and to be fair they carry ok on the Traileyre ,and if the swath is just right (VERY IMPORTANT) and the stuff dry enough then the bales are great out of a Combi, and should be out of any baler really!!
Plus , we spent a lot less time and diesel mixing the bales up in the Kuhn Euromix!!
And our man has the new model now that does net or plastic !!
As I say , I think for haylege it will be ideal , as I can get away with 16 /17 turns instead of 22/23 maybe ??
Mind give it a try .
Never tried the Volac ,seen it , but always struck me as being a bit reliant on level ground?? My son wants an 8 bale Traileyre now though ,as all the road work is getting too much !!

As for a reliable baler , this new Combi spent a couple of hrs being set up with the dealers help .
We had to rebale 4 bales due to the 15 micron plastic that came with the baler being a tad too frail (20 micron is better apparently) but once he got going , did 532 bales in 4 days (not a record I know , but 140 - 200 bales in a day with a Traileyre and me doing all the wrapping and stacking (30 an hour) its going a bit (at my age !!!)

if you are serious about another traileyre at least go and have a look at a Wilson super chaser in action or videos you don't need level ground for them I have the volac 6 and use a 6 traileyre you vave to be more accurate with the volac but I think the Wilson is slightly wider so easier but its a lot faster than traileyre especially unloading and no bales roll and get stuck around tractor when going back then forewards just back up to where you want drop both spools and drive away

 

[Mr Mackay]

I am not actually that serious about a new 8 bale Traileyre , possibly a second hand one !!
But we cope ok with the 6
Our 6 bale one is 20 yrs old 1997 Time flies when you are having fun!!
I wonder how much they are new now? (Will look at the Wilson )

 

[dannewhouse]

I am not actually that serious about a new 8 bale Traileyre , possibly a second hand one !!
But we cope ok with the 6
Our 6 bale one is 20 yrs old 1997 Time flies when you are having fun!!
I wonder how much they are new now? (Will look at the Wilson )

only looked yesterday list price on the 10/20 was something like 27k!!! and the 6 was 17k! I think
Wilson 10 is just less than 10k I think

 

[Mr Mackay]

only looked yesterday list price on the 10/20 was something like 27k!!! and the 6 was 17k! I think
Wilson 10 is just less than 10k I think

Yes , I looked at Ritchies website and the 6 bale Traileyre was £16,999 retail
We paid 5100 for ours in 97 I think
The Wilson looks great , but in our case we are a bit cramped for room ,and I doubt it would be easy to use ,for us The 8 bale Traileyre would be no easier mind !!
Great ,that you can use it to chase wrapped bales too , but you would need to be right up with the baler or it could get interesting

 

[dannewhouse]

i wouldn't really want to chase wrapped bales I suppose it will be better than lifting onto a flat trailer especially the top ones.

I always said when we wrapped in field due to weather that 1 day after put a single line on top, 2 days after put every other bale on top 3 days after don't even bother wi top as you bust too many,

 

[Mr Mackay]

Today was interesting . We planned to bale Friday morning (tomorrow) Rain , heavy ,forecast for 8 to 9 oclock tomorrow morning !!
So we decided to ted the grass with the Swathwilter Superted thingy (only 7 acres) in the sun and wind and despite it being cut 48 hrs at the most and new seeds , it looked in good form ! Too good to get wet first thing , so the contractor very kindly agreed to come at half 8 tonight and bale it up for us

Having been on plastic wrap , we decided to go with that until he ran out ,then change to net .
We found the plastic made some stonking shaped bales but they were a bit fragile when handling them !!

The traileyre ,if you're not careful ,tends to slightly drag the bales when lifting , and any sort of friction can make a lot of damage to the film ,plus the sheer fact that the pressure of the grass will partly burst them !!
Not a problem for most folk ,that have their silage baled AND wrapped straight after on the Combi , but my preference would be to stick with net if hauling them to wrap later !!

Just my pennyworth

 

[Mr Mackay]

Oh , plus the fact the plastic adds 50p to the cost of baling , I think!

 

[Iron150]

Old thread I know but any further thoughts on the plastic instead of net? And idea on cost of both?

 

[michael N123]

How do you open bale without cutting all plastic off? Then ending up with loose bale.

Just cut a circle in the end put spike in then pull the rest off in one piece above the feeder

 

[michael N123]

i wouldn't really want to chase wrapped bales I suppose it will be better than lifting onto a flat trailer especially the top ones.

I always said when we wrapped in field due to weather that 1 day after put a single line on top, 2 days after put every other bale on top 3 days after don't even bother wi top as you bust too many,

Must of been soft bales

I can’t stand wrapping at the stack for my self to much time gets wasted And the bales handled a extra time... I lift them on the trailer and straight off with the trailer right next to the stack couldn’t be any faster

And don’t get me started on the contract wrapping where they’ve kindly put bales in bendy rows touching normally in a tight corner of a field so it’s easier for them to stack

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Must of been soft bales

I can’t stand wrapping at the stack for my self to much time gets wasted And the bales handled a extra time... I lift them on the trailer and straight off with the trailer right next to the stack couldn’t be any faster

And don’t get me started on the contract wrapping where they’ve kindly put bales in bendy rows touching normally in a tight corner of a field so it’s easier for them to stack

Everybody's situation is different. Here hauling wrapped bales is a nightmare as they get wrecked on the narrow Devon lanes. Have to transport them as a single row on the trailer - very tedious.

 

[dannewhouse]

Must of been soft bales

I can’t stand wrapping at the stack for my self to much time gets wasted And the bales handled a extra time... I lift them on the trailer and straight off with the trailer right next to the stack couldn’t be any faster

And don’t get me started on the contract wrapping where they’ve kindly put bales in bendy rows touching normally in a tight corner of a field so it’s easier for them to stack

Silage though, not dry hayladge type stuff.

I disagree about time getting wasted wrapping at the stack? the wrapper should never stop therefore as fast as in field? or nigh on?
job is only finished when last bale is stacked, Im sure its a lot faster hauling unwrapped bales

how many bales/hour do you want to process
or how many per day with what staff (and how many hours you call a day)