Please can we have another referendum

[Hindsight]

Fair point.
But..... The deal on offer is the one that most people who didn't want to leave, wanted!
Most who wanted to leave want something 'harder'.
So the answer is to forget all about it and remain as we were.

The protests in France have nothing to do with the EU but how long will it be before they do happen due to sections of populations feel unfairly treated by diktats from Brussels. It is already quite a problem in Italy, Poland and Hungary.

Anyone thinking that just going back to how things were will mean a 'quiet life' are rather considerably mistaken.
Leaving with a risk of 6 months disruption at Dover is laughable compared to the possible bloodshed of extricating ourselves at some point in the future.

This is the ultimate (well I think ultimate) closing of the door that Mastrichet in 1992 and Lisbon in 2007.

 

[Loner]

You do realise the protests in France are against the French government?

That is right , and the same thing will come to this country,people are angry that we are still not at a point where we know exactly what will happen, Theresa May has dragged her feet and let those who voted to leave down badly,maybe because she personally did not want to leave, and we have not had the Scottish leader putting her knife in yet,just wait for it, it is just round the corner.
Anyone who thinks the yellow shirt problem will miss the UK is living in cuckoo land .

 

[arcobob]

This is the ultimate (well I think ultimate) closing of the door that Mastrichet in 1992 and Lisbon in 2007.

This is the last chance to escape from the trap that devious and weak politicians dragged us into by signing those two treaties. If they foul up this time all hell will let loose.

 

[Exfarmer]

Id be confident leave would win by a greater margin.

As a committed retainer, I would be happy with that result.
The current hoo ha would not have come about if we had had a proper majority.
If you are so confident that leave would win better next time, I assume you support another vote?

 

[Exfarmer]

Globalism helps those with money and power get more of each at the expense of the average tax payer. Most of recent economic growth only benefits the few at the top. Any decrease in growth due to us leaving the EU will affect the top who are trying to stop it but will have little affect on the average who voted for it.

can you not see the irony of your quotes here you are decrying globalism as it only benefits the ones at the top.
yet you are openly espousing globalism in your next post

The EEC was excellent at helping international economic cooperation.
The world has changed in the last 60 years and it is now possible to talk and trade with anyone, anywhere in the world instantly.
The EEC was formed for economic integration which has become increasingly unnecessary which is why it reformed itself into the political union which is the EU.
It will not be long before the politics of the EU will harm its economy or vice versa.
An independent UK can have the best of both and adapt to a fast changing world.

I think most Brexiteers have no real idea of the heavenly pastures out there awaiting for Messrs Rees Mogg and his investment funds in this new world order

 

[Danllan]

As a committed retainer, I would be happy with that result.
The current hoo ha would not have come about if we had had a proper majority.
If you are so confident that leave would win better next time, I assume you support another vote?

I would like to see a second vote because all of the Leavers I know want to leave as much as ever and some of the Remainers I know have had enough of the EU too.

But... I don't think there should be one, it is simply wrong to ask again on the same subject so soon. This would have been equally true had Remain won the vote, even by the same margin. The decision has to be implemented and time given to see it succeed or otherwise. Yet again, if Brexit tries and fails you'll have us back in the EU where you want us; if it succeeds you won't.

You have told us many times that it will be a bad thing for the UK, so it would seem reasonable to assume that you would want to see it come to pass so that we work this 'silliness' out of our systems and then return to the fold as 'good Europeans'.

Unless, of course, you are worried that the UK might, in fact, prosper once out of the EU...

 

[Ashtree]

can you not see the irony of your quotes here you are decrying globalism as it only benefits the ones at the top.
yet you are openly espousing globalism in your next post



I think most Brexiteers have no real idea of the heavenly pastures out there awaiting for Messrs Rees Mogg and his investment funds in this new world order

Exactly. The hardest Brexiteers on here continuously remind us of the evils of globalism.
Brexit IS about globalism, more of it, lots more of it. They want to smash the protectionist elements of being in the EU and SM, and open every single element of the UK economy to the huge global companies and the very low cost economies. Even the venerated NHS is up for grabs in the deal. Farming will be nothing other than a convenient bargaining chip.
This is EXACTLY why the ordinary decent canny Ulster farmers and business people, have tried to put the brakes on the cavalier actions of the DUP!!

 

[Muddyroads]

Australia recently lost a rugby match to England. How would they have been greeted if they'd turned round and said "we didn't realise what team England were going to put up against us, so we don't accept the result and want a rematch"?

 

[Jackov Altraids]

can you not see the irony of your quotes here you are decrying globalism as it only benefits the ones at the top.
yet you are openly espousing globalism in your next post



I think most Brexiteers have no real idea of the heavenly pastures out there awaiting for Messrs Rees Mogg and his investment funds in this new world order

I was conscious that it may be seen as ironic but I did not want to write a long expanded post differentiating between the causes/effects.
One of my main worries for the UK leaving the EU is that we need continental agreements to control globalisation. I just hope that other international bodies will be available or created for this purpose.
As a generalisation, globalism is good for individuals to trade and travel with little hindrance. The fact that it enables huge businesses to amass more income than countries while paying little tax to help and maintain the essential social structures is the cause of widespread unrest around the world.
Bill gates has chosen to eradicate polio, he could have bought a few nukes.
I don't think that making good use of the attributes that led to globalism is quite the same as espousing it.

 

[Ashtree]

Australia recently lost a rugby match to England. How would they have been greeted if they'd turned round and said "we didn't realise what team England were going to put up against us, so we don't accept the result and want a rematch"?

Wasn’t there a dodgy tackle by Farrell .......

 

[Muddyroads]

Pretty armless really!

 

[balerman]

Why do you think Europe are so desperate for us not to leave? Two reasons,we are one of only 3 countries contributing financially(and another of those is in a sticky position) and if we leave and prosper it will ultimately lead to the breakup of the EU.Tony Benn was right,the longer we stay in,the harder it will be to leave.We MUST follow this through even if it means no deal.

 

[turbo]

If all these moaning MPs that want a second vote think that the public have changed their minds why don’t they stand down as an mp and cause a by election,if what they say is true they can stand on a platform and say if you elect me I will stop brexit but they won’t!,sauby and many labour MPs in the heartland will get kicked out,it’s what they deserve

 

[Exfarmer]

I would like to see a second vote because all of the Leavers I know want to leave as much as ever and some of the Remainers I know have had enough of the EU too.

But... I don't think there should be one, it is simply wrong to ask again on the same subject so soon. This would have been equally true had Remain won the vote, even by the same margin. The decision has to be implemented and time given to see it succeed or otherwise. Yet again, if Brexit tries and fails you'll have us back in the EU where you want us; if it succeeds you won't.

You have told us many times that it will be a bad thing for the UK, so it would seem reasonable to assume that you would want to see it come to pass so that we work this 'silliness' out of our systems and then return to the fold as 'good Europeans'.

Unless, of course, you are worried that the UK might, in fact, prosper once out of the EU...

I am not at all sure a second vote is a good idea as Ithink the result will still be split, unless all the kids get out of bed and vote this time.
I think the worst result would be a marginal remain , which I worry would cause chaos

 

[czechmate]

I am not at all sure a second vote is a good idea as Ithink the result will still be split, unless all the kids get out of bed and vote this time.
I think the worst result would be a marginal remain , which I worry would cause chaos

I do my best not to take an opposite stance from the Dan at the time but it is difficult. My mum is over at the moment, of course she is getting on somewhat, so she did know a lot of leave voters. She says that a good number of them would vote remain now as they never envisaged just what a mess leaving would make. Plus of course, some have died...

 

[Hilly]

As a committed retainer, I would be happy with that result.
The current hoo ha would not have come about if we had had a proper majority.
If you are so confident that leave would win better next time, I assume you support another vote?

Im not botherd either way as the long game for the eu is its not going to last anyway ! i actually feel sad about that especially for the other countries sake but not ours, we need out now before it implodes.

Here some thing for you to watch

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=275977272757274

 

[Hilly]

I do my best not to take an opposite stance from the Dan at the time but it is difficult. My mum is over at the moment, of course she is getting on somewhat, so she did know a lot of leave voters. She says that a good number of them would vote remain now as they never envisaged just what a mess leaving would make. Plus of course, some have died...

Some would change either way but the result will be the same, the general public want out end of story.

 

[caveman]

I do my best not to take an opposite stance from the Dan at the time but it is difficult. My mum is over at the moment, of course she is getting on somewhat, so she did know a lot of leave voters. She says that a good number of them would vote remain now as they never envisaged just what a mess leaving would make. Plus of course, some have died...

Interesting.

It always strikes me as strange, that a great many of those dear young things that voted to stay in the Common Market way back in the seventies, have either died off or need to die, as they are now brexit supporters.
Maybe there's a message there.
If you vote leave, you are guaranteed a long life and get to vote leave a second time.
If you vote remain, you get an early grave and no second vote.

Or maybe you've just got fed up with paying all that tax and seeing it being sent elswhere to support a trading deficit situation over the years.

 

[Hilly]

I am not at all sure a second vote is a good idea as Ithink the result will still be split, unless all the kids get out of bed and vote this time.
I think the worst result would be a marginal remain , which I worry would cause chaos

Best of 3 at that point . Its A shambe as we have not got a leaver running the show, that might change soon, Mrs May dosent cut it she couldnt negotiate her way out of a paper bag.

 

[Hilly]

iF WE HAD VOTED REMIAN and the pound had strengthen `d imagine the state of sheep farming today ! brexit has saved it the last 2 years.