Plough identification

madmatt

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Afternoon all, I am new here but wondered if anyone could help me identify the model of this Ransome's plough please?

Many thanks
 

Roy Stokes

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Location
East Shropshire
Not actually a Ransomes but a "Ford Ransomes" based on the Sherman (Ford Ferguson) brothers frame design cast and built at Ford's Leamington Foundry, it uses Ransomes wearing metal and most I have seen carry EPIC mouldboards as yours does, but can be found with YL or FRDCP ( Ford Ransomes Double Chilled Plough) mouldboards.
As the casting suggests it is a PM3, designed to be used with the Major E27N when fitted with 3 point linkage, these ploughs were a pig of a thing being very short point to point clearance and no where near as good for modifying for match ploughing as it's sister plough, the Ransomes TS 59 was due to the PM's cast frame not being as easy to cut down at the headstock, however they have some very good points as well and those ACME threads on the adjusting handles are very useful when plough building as are the cast handle tops with "wide" and " deep" written on them in the casting mould

If you are looking for a value for it I am afraid it will revolve around a price per ton !
 

madmatt

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Thanks Roy,

It's interesting you say its ford/Ransome's as the only name cast in it is Ransome's. Value no I wasn't looking for a value as such as its not mine I am just trying to get a bit of info on it and maybe save it from the scrap skip! (If it was worth saving)
 

Roy Stokes

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Location
East Shropshire
Thanks Roy,

It's interesting you say its ford/Ransome's as the only name cast in it is Ransome's. Value no I wasn't looking for a value as such as its not mine I am just trying to get a bit of info on it and maybe save it from the scrap skip! (If it was worth saving)

Yes, Definitely a F-R plough there would have been a plate on it originally with FR on it, I will post some pictures of them making these ploughs at Leaminton if I get time later -supposed to be doing office work ATM :(
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
This was followed by the EPG and EPJ but really did not cut the mustard. The TS59 is plentiful and far more user friendly when it comes to customisation. The Ford Elite trailer plough was another effort that fell short of Ransome`s own products. If you are in it for a bit of nostalgia, OK, otherwise stick to Ransomes for vintage !
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
The odd thing was the creation of the TS1013 for the Dexta which was essentially the same plough as the TS54A and also called the Robin. A certain Welsh ploughman used a 1013 to which he had fitted a depth wheel. This broke during the Nationals and he then spent the rest of the afternoon creating a scene regarding the modifications to a certain competitor`s plough. It got very heated especially as he claimed that his plough was "as it left the factory" which was strictly not correct. It is interesting how the plough modification arguments rumble on with very few Ransomes ploughs today in as built condition.
 

madmatt

Member
Thanks for the replys folks I think it'll be stopping where it is but may get painted up as an ornament one day!

Seeing as there are a few Ransome's experts here can you clarify something please?

Is a Ransome's TS54 a Robin? And if so what Is the TS59?
 

Roy Stokes

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Location
East Shropshire
The TS59 was really like a huge development of the Robin (TS54) by being much heavier and better made. The TS54 as I known as a Robin but is it true that the TS59 was also known as a Regal?

But a TS 59 was much easier to bend if ploughing stoney ground or tree roots, the area where the leg connects to the frame is a bit short whereas the Robin leg runs a long way along side it's frame and therefore when bolted together form a stronger frame, and to that a welded in cross brace and I would argue the Robin was a stronger plough, albeit smaller.

Both the TS54 and the TS 59 were named in their early form, The Ransomes book suggests these names were used for export,
names are as follows
TS 54-Robin
TS 55-Falcon
TS 59-Raven
TS 68- Swift
TS 73-Heron
TS74-Swallow
So as you can deduce from above bird species feature, the book also suggests the TS 1013 mentioned above was also named Robin for export

Trailed ploughs seem to have been named with Trac in many models, Motrac, Protrac, Midtrac, Hexatrac, Pretrac, Duratrac, and many many more, but then you have the RSLD (Ransomes self lift double furrow plough) and RSLM ( Ransomes self lift multi furrow plough)
Confused.com :scratchhead:
 

Mydexta

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Location
Dundee/angus
But a TS 59 was much easier to bend if ploughing stoney ground or tree roots, the area where the leg connects to the frame is a bit short whereas the Robin leg runs a long way along side it's frame and therefore when bolted together form a stronger frame, and to that a welded in cross brace and I would argue the Robin was a stronger plough, albeit smaller.

Both the TS54 and the TS 59 were named in their early form, The Ransomes book suggests these names were used for export,
names are as follows
TS 54-Robin
TS 55-Falcon
TS 59-Raven
TS 68- Swift
TS 73-Heron
TS74-Swallow
So as you can deduce from above bird species feature, the book also suggests the TS 1013 mentioned above was also named Robin for export

Trailed ploughs seem to have been named with Trac in many models, Motrac, Protrac, Midtrac, Hexatrac, Pretrac, Duratrac, and many many more, but then you have the RSLD (Ransomes self lift double furrow plough) and RSLM ( Ransomes self lift multi furrow plough)
Confused.com :scratchhead:


What about a ts63 and ts64???
 
But a TS 59 was much easier to bend if ploughing stoney ground or tree roots, the area where the leg connects to the frame is a bit short whereas the Robin leg runs a long way along side it's frame and therefore when bolted together form a stronger frame, and to that a welded in cross brace and I would argue the Robin was a stronger plough, albeit smaller.

Both the TS54 and the TS 59 were named in their early form, The Ransomes book suggests these names were used for export,
names are as follows
TS 54-Robin
TS 55-Falcon
TS 59-Raven
TS 68- Swift
TS 73-Heron
TS74-Swallow
So as you can deduce from above bird species feature, the book also suggests the TS 1013 mentioned above was also named Robin for export

Trailed ploughs seem to have been named with Trac in many models, Motrac, Protrac, Midtrac, Hexatrac, Pretrac, Duratrac, and many many more, but then you have the RSLD (Ransomes self lift double furrow plough) and RSLM ( Ransomes self lift multi furrow plough)
Confused.com :scratchhead:
You've taught me a lot! I have often heard about the International b12's having a strong frame which is quite a regular sight in Cornwall but I just had a look at a Robin and the layout is similar. The thing I don't like the Robin is when I used to use them years ago on my farm and I ploughed hard ground the headstocks on them always used to break or bend. This is always what I preferred on the TS 59 because I never had to do anything to them.
 

Roy Stokes

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Location
East Shropshire
A B12 is almost identical to a Robin frame apart for the toplink mounting area, I don't know who copied who but if the B12 was introduced before 1950 then Ransomes copied IH, if the B12 was later then IH copied
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
I wouldn`t be surprised if Ransomes made the frame and legs for the IH otherwise there would be some patent infringements somewhere down the line.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Thinking about it further, IH did not have a suitable tractor in 1950 and as this plough was made for the IH 250/275 initially it would not be before 1956. The patents had perhaps expired and thus the introduction of the TS1013 in 1957.
 

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