Ploughing up arable reversion

[Billhook]

I do not find it clear at all.
Certainly what you say is logical and what I would expect but elsewhere I hear that NE make their own rules up and in my case it may be considered that I have an exemplary farm with all the environmental improvements we have made, and they may issue an Environmental Impact Assessment and force me to keep the farm as it is, even though all the grassland in question was arable ten years ago and had been for decades.
Just look at AJCC's posts

Meadow Brown thank you for the more optimstic post but the link does not open and I cannot find the place on the gov. site where you have copied that information. Could you please try again with the link.

 

[ajcc]

You make your own choices but agreements require trust, these NE environmentalists are not to be trusted. Whatever you think if they want to take your land this would appear to be the method......they maintain what they say, and how they interpret EIA 2006 legislation is unchallengeable,any decision appeal process is farcical and doomed to failure because they police themselves.
Arable land" becomes uncultivated land after 15 years despite the RPA call it cultivated land within an agreement." Two different DEFRA depts. disagreeing on the status of your farmland.
It really is laughable then so is BPS debacle and different DEFRA depts. dressing differently and not being able to communicate provided as reasons for BPS failures. They are a shower and anyone risking trust at present by way of a new agreement has real potential to end in tears down the road.
I say again what they say to me after v.near 4 years of arguing...."we don't say you cannot farm this land how you choose but until we make our decision you cannot plough, cultivate, harrow, roll, dung or feed any animals on this ground without breeching the regulations and at present we have insufficient information to make our decision!!!"
" Yes Minister "was created around these idiots and every one of us is paying their wages week in week out.

 

[DRC]

IT is quite clear, arable land at the beginning is arable land at the end of the agreement.
My HLS ends at the end of October, and NE are keen for me to have a new agreement from January 2017. I will be reading the small print VERY carefully before I sign on the dotted line.

Similar here. Mine ends July this year and I intend to plant a crop of barley or stubble turnips on my arable reversion land, even if it subsequently goes back into a scheme the following year.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

You make your own choices but agreements require trust, these NE environmentalists are not to be trusted. Whatever you think if they want to take your land this would appear to be the method......they maintain what they say, and how they interpret EIA 2006 legislation is unchallengeable,any decision appeal process is farcical and doomed to failure because they police themselves.
Arable land" becomes uncultivated land after 15 years despite the RPA call it cultivated land within an agreement." Two different DEFRA depts. disagreeing on the status of your farmland.
It really is laughable then so is BPS debacle and different DEFRA depts. dressing differently and not being able to communicate provided as reasons for BPS failures. They are a shower and anyone risking trust at present by way of a new agreement has real potential to end in tears down the road.
I say again what they say to me after v.near 4 years of arguing...."we don't say you cannot farm this land how you choose but until we make our decision you cannot plough, cultivate, harrow, roll, dung or feed any animals on this ground without breeching the regulations and at present we have insufficient information to make our decision!!!"
" Yes Minister "was created around these idiots and every one of us is paying their wages week in week out.

Desperately needs an NFU backed test case taken I'd say.

 

[Meadow Brown]

I do not find it clear at all.
Certainly what you say is logical and what I would expect but elsewhere I hear that NE make their own rules up and in my case it may be considered that I have an exemplary farm with all the environmental improvements we have made, and they may issue an Environmental Impact Assessment and force me to keep the farm as it is, even though all the grassland in question was arable ten years ago and had been for decades.
Just look at AJCC's posts

Meadow Brown thank you for the more optimstic post but the link does not open and I cannot find the place on the gov. site where you have copied that information. Could you please try again with the link.

Hi Bill,

The link seems to be working okay for me. The excerpt can be found on pages 21-23 of the BPS2016 scheme rules (not Natural England's publication).
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/505559/BPS_2016_scheme_rules_FINAL__DS_.pdf

Screen shot below:

 

[Billhook]

Just been talking to a German farmer friend in Schleswig Holstein and he said all the farmers around him are ploughing up grassland everywhere whether it be recently sown under a scheme or old pasture to avoid the EU rule.

 

[ajcc]

 

[ajcc]

Sorry to rejuvenate this old thread but........7 years since my css ended NE and I are still arguing at the tax payers expense about my right to farm. Anyone contemplating any agreement with NE think twice at the very least! I wouldn’t wish my experiences of NE on my worst enemy.

 

[steveR]

I see from the copy of the email from NE's Kim Halford that he/she is a "Mental Health First Aider"... Sounds as if they need to help their poor bloody "customers*" first ...!!!

I think that all of use here are rooting for you?


* Don't you hate being described as a Customer??

 

[Nearly]

Sorry to rejuvenate this old thread but........7 years since my css ended NE and I are still arguing at the tax payers expense about my right to farm. Anyone contemplating any agreement with NE think twice at the very least! I wouldn’t wish my experiences of NE on my worst enemy.

Do you take or need donations to a fighting fund?

 

[ajcc]

Natural England knows best?
Here we are 6 weeks short of ten years since I made the mistake of “asking Natural England” if I needed a screening decision.
I had forgotten about this original thread but it just came up in a google search of Defra personnel who just sent me an email to tell me they were considering how to proceed with the appeal against the NE Remediation Notice they sent me for Valentine’s Day 2022....

 

[steveR]

Natural England knows best?
Here we are 6 weeks short of ten years since I made the mistake of “asking Natural England” if I needed a screening decision.
I had forgotten about this original thread but it just came up in a google search of Defra personnel who just sent me an email to tell me they were considering how to proceed with the appeal against the NE Remediation Notice they sent me for Valentine’s Day 2022....

Something of an obscenity IMO.

I see this again and it reminds me to avoid SFI, avoid SFI.... no spoon is long enough, to avoid supping with the devil that is NE.

 

[tullah]

Something of an obscenity IMO.

I see this again and it reminds me to avoid SFI, avoid SFI.... no spoon is long enough, to avoid supping with the devil that is NE.

Not only are they content to waste their own time but they waste others time too.
Their annual budget must be billions and the plug needs pulling

 

[Steevo]

Something of an obscenity IMO.

I see this again and it reminds me to avoid SFI, avoid SFI.... no spoon is long enough, to avoid supping with the devil that is NE.

This week’s FW has an interesting article on CS.

 

[Coximus]

Have you still not had a resolution or court date?

 

[ajcc]

“Truth is stranger than fiction.”