Pneumonia Disaster

[bruce9001]

Oh sh!t! I've just weaned 80 and put them in the shed, normally get one or two snotty noses, you've got me worried now

Bet weather picks up and they will be fine [emoji16][emoji3]

 

[Weasel]

Bet weather picks up and they will be fine [emoji16][emoji3]

Hopefully, was bloody warm inside when I fed them earlier.

 

[bruce9001]

Just out of interest if going through all to blanket treat with alamycin, what temp do people use as a cut off and jag with a stronger drug???

 

[Grim Reaper]

Really feel for you bruce9001, after reading this I've just been out to check mine.
Good luck.

 

[dave160cvx]

How many calves yous running???

About 160. Where every possible we rather dose copper and vaccinate 3wk or so before coming in but with late harvest and tip sales etc we haven't had a chance. Makes big difference calves cough up worms before weaning. Didn't get a chance this year.

 

[bruce9001]

About 160. Where every possible we rather dose copper and vaccinate 3wk or so before coming in but with late harvest and tip sales etc we haven't had a chance. Makes big difference calves cough up worms before weaning. Didn't get a chance this year.

Do you use a pour on them before coming in when giving copper???

We have always just given them pour on for lungworm etc once we have brought them inside!

 

[Hampton]

Had terrible few days with Pneumonia!

We have never vaccinated as only ever had a few cases a year of pneumonia!

This year we have 160 calves!
We weaned them last week and got them all clipped and gave a pour on, also de-horned the few that needed done!

Come friday just passed had to jag 2 for pneumonia but they werent that bad and have responded well, same again on saturday and those 2 are fine!

On sunday had 2 that were really bad amd gave both Draxxin and Metacam, yesterday morning one was lying dead!
Had about 5 new ones showing signs so ran them thru race and jagged!
At night went into shed and found another one dead that before hadnt shown signs (that i had noticed)

This morning we pulled out 38 that were showing signs from slightly snotty noses right thru to ones panting heavily etc!

Decided time to call vet out!
Started going through them and even the ones that looked ok gad temperatures around 40celcius!

We done everything that had 40+ temp with draxxin and metacam and anyrhing from 39 - 40 with Hexasol!

Sent 2 deads for PM so hopefully find the virus cause so can vaccinate next year for the proper strain!

Sometimes the job makes you almost feel like giving up [emoji22][emoji22][emoji22]

I've had similar problems with some bulls that have been outside this summer. Look fine one day, minor snotty nose/slight increase of breath on day 2, jabbed with draxxin on day 2, dead on day 3. Steadily lost 8 this summer despite no real signs.
Wish I'd done risproval 4 sooner. Will not make the same mistake twice!

 

[dave160cvx]

Do you use a pour on them before coming in when giving copper???

We have always just given them pour on for lungworm etc once we have brought them inside!

Yes a copper bolus each. Up north here we're a low copper area. Yep usually noromectin pour on then inject for fluke after new year. If it works for you you don't need to change.

 

[Wishful Thinker]

@bruce9001 what pour on did you use? Any different to last year?
Could they have had a heavy worm burden to set the whole thing off?

 

[Lovegoodstock]

I appreciate folk rather spring calving so closer to turn out, but wonder if things would be better across the board if calved in jan? May even use less straw despite probably using more jan/feb/mach, may not be so heavy on weaning in November which is about the only month to be consistent year on year, lack of air, misty damp and big variation in temps from night to day. Im more flexible than most so realise not everyone can do the same, but weaned some few weeks back and pulled some a bit smaller so a lot can be left to January. Out of interest @bruce9001 , were they eating well prior to weaning?

 

[goodevans]

I appreciate folk rather spring calving so closer to turn out, but wonder if things would be better across the board if calved in jan? May even use less straw despite probably using more jan/feb/mach, may not be so heavy on weaning in November which is about the only month to be consistent year on year, lack of air, misty damp and big variation in temps from night to day. Im more flexible than most so realise not everyone can do the same, but weaned some few weeks back and pulled some a bit smaller so a lot can be left to January. Out of interest @bruce9001 , were they eating well prior to weaning?

thats what I posted on another thread I am sure the ones that start a pneumonia outbreak with us are the sucklers bought in which are not used to creep and it is that extra stress level that kicks it in I will try to remember in future the slow eaters and avoid at market

 

[Samcowman]

Weather is awful for it at the moment frosty one day warm and damp the next. Got a load of weaned dairy calves in the shed at the moment all rispoval 4. Still coughing going on out there just seem to be keeping on top of it at the moment.
You've just gotta keep working away at it and forget the drugs bill sometimes.

 

[bovine]

Sorry to hear of your troubles. We have found in the past that it works well if you treat the first ones with draxxin/metacam or resflor etc and then jab all of the others with terramycin (alamycin/duphacyclin). It seems to stop it in it's tracks. Admittedly we don't have as many as you do.

Just out of interest if going through all to blanket treat with alamycin, what temp do people use as a cut off and jag with a stronger drug???

We've moved away from batch treatment with increased scrutiny over the use of antibiotics. Good research showing that going through and treating those with high temperature uses LESS antibiotic and is just as effective as batch treatment. If animals relapse (and a short acting product was used) you can re treat with the same product.

5-10 years ago that is exactly what I would have done, but we learn and we move on. It's not necessary.

 

[bruce9001]

I appreciate folk rather spring calving so closer to turn out, but wonder if things would be better across the board if calved in jan? May even use less straw despite probably using more jan/feb/mach, may not be so heavy on weaning in November which is about the only month to be consistent year on year, lack of air, misty damp and big variation in temps from night to day. Im more flexible than most so realise not everyone can do the same, but weaned some few weeks back and pulled some a bit smaller so a lot can be left to January. Out of interest @bruce9001 , were they eating well prior to weaning?

All had been on creep feed for 6 weeks + and feeders were in shed.
When weaned moved from silage and straw (mothers ration) to silage straw barley and beans which they started eating right away.

Same pour on was used as in previous years with no problems

 

[bruce9001]

@bruce9001 what pour on did you use? Any different to last year?
Could they have had a heavy worm burden to set the whole thing off?

There is alot of coughing going on but hard to tell if work burden they shedding out or due to pneumonia

 

[onthehoof]

They are inside a newly built shed with ideal ventilation conditions so the air can move etc but is not drafty!

I hear what you say but do you think the shed may be the problem, have you got any others in a different shed. Our calf shed only had sheets on North side completely open on other 3 appreciate that wouldn’t work for everyone though

 

[waterbuffalofarmer]

Had terrible few days with Pneumonia!

We have never vaccinated as only ever had a few cases a year of pneumonia!

This year we have 160 calves!
We weaned them last week and got them all clipped and gave a pour on, also de-horned the few that needed done!

Come friday just passed had to jag 2 for pneumonia but they werent that bad and have responded well, same again on saturday and those 2 are fine!

On sunday had 2 that were really bad amd gave both Draxxin and Metacam, yesterday morning one was lying dead!
Had about 5 new ones showing signs so ran them thru race and jagged!
At night went into shed and found another one dead that before hadnt shown signs (that i had noticed)

This morning we pulled out 38 that were showing signs from slightly snotty noses right thru to ones panting heavily etc!

Decided time to call vet out!
Started going through them and even the ones that looked ok gad temperatures around 40celcius!

We done everything that had 40+ temp with draxxin and metacam and anyrhing from 39 - 40 with Hexasol!

Sent 2 deads for PM so hopefully find the virus cause so can vaccinate next year for the proper strain!

Sometimes the job makes you almost feel like giving up [emoji22][emoji22][emoji22]

I'm really sorry to hear about this, farming is never easy at all. We had stopped stockbull have pneumonia twice, which was really horrible, I can't imagine what it must be like for you at this moment. I hope everything turns out well and they all get better you're doing a fantastic job!
All the best

 

[ADbeefboy]

Had a run of trouble with bought in stores lately, fluked, wormed and IBR vaccine on arrival, 4-5 weeks jagged a few with hexasol. All outdoors. Sent one to vet lab, came back lungworms, fluke and pneumonia strain resistant to hexasol. Everything outdoors been done with dectomax and trodax last week. Also vaccinate everything indoors with rispoval pasturella.

 

[Friesianfan]

Sorry to hear of your losses. As I know. sh!t happens.

 

[jemski]

How are your calves?