Post Brexit Meat Export

SRRC

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Location
West Somerset
There's also a Covid element at play here. Fish trade into Europe, like many other foods, is usually pretty poor in January anyway, factor in the hotels and restaurants etc being mostly closed as well and that's some of the reason why these fish aren't wanted.
That giant trawler tied up in Norway will fire up again when the lockdowns ease.
 

Hummin-Cummins

Member
Livestock Farmer
Basically we (the Uk) now have the same rules, regulations and hoops to jump through like every other country outside the EU in order to get our produce over the border! We’ve had 4 years to prepare for this and its obviously doable so why not just get on with it and do the paperwork etc, follow the rules like any other country and then maybe (just maybe) we can get our produce exported relatively smoothly as do hundreds of other countries that are not members of the EU?!
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Talking to one of the larger and only exporter in the South east he was relating the experience they are having so far on what tend to be smaller loads and sometimes multiple drops in Holland and Belgium.
The first load went out second week of January with little issue other than the Vet took two days to get the paperwork correct and so a very significant extra cost. Next load went out last Saturday and on arrival at Calais was eventually sent back as two boxes on the paperwork had not been ticked.
Vet came out and spent several hours on new health certificate. Truck eventually was let through after a few hours but was told the paperwork was still wrong and it had to be corrected by email.
They had complained about the inconsistency in the checks and have been told it is the French playing silly bugg?rs

The extra cost are clocking up and are around a thousand pounds a load at present with being delayed and extra ferry and tunnel costs.
There is also resistance to the increased prices seen since the New Year and they won't pay it.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Talking to one of the larger and only exporter in the South east he was relating the experience they are having so far on what tend to be smaller loads and sometimes multiple drops in Holland and Belgium.
The first load went out second week of January with little issue other than the Vet took two days to get the paperwork correct and so a very significant extra cost. Next load went out last Saturday and on arrival at Calais was eventually sent back as two boxes on the paperwork had not been ticked.
Vet came out and spent several hours on new health certificate. Truck eventually was let through after a few hours but was told the paperwork was still wrong and it had to be corrected by email.
They had complained about the inconsistency in the checks and have been told it is the French playing silly bugg?rs

The extra cost are clocking up and are around a thousand pounds a load at present with being delayed and extra ferry and tunnel costs.
There is also resistance to the increased prices seen since the New Year and they won't pay it.

Of course they're playing silly buggers, they're all bent out of shape because the UK told them to bugger off, perhaps even a little jealous because they don't have the balls to do it themselves?
Time to find new export markets?
 

TheTallGuy

Member
Location
Cambridgeshire
Of course they're playing silly buggers, they're all bent out of shape because the UK told them to bugger off, perhaps even a little jealous because they don't have the balls to do it themselves?
Time to find new export markets?
France has no desire to leave the EU because they think that they're the top dog in the club, they don't seem to realise that the Germans believe that they're the ones at the top. Meanwhile the Belgians sit back with a smirk on their faces because they clearly run the show having the most EU institutions located in Brussels, the Dutch just go with the flow for an easier life as does Italy. Greece wants to leave because of the slap on the wrist they received as part of their bailout, but in reality know that they'd get an even bigger slap if they do, besides which they'd have nowhere to send the illegal immigrants. The Eastern states get too much money either directly or sent home from free movement workers to want to leave, although they aren't happy with all the rules they have to follow. Likewise Spain & Portugal benefit greatly from membership. Of all the states, probably the Czech Republic & Hungary have the greatest desire to leave, but being totally surrounded makes it unattractive.
 
France has no desire to leave the EU because they think that they're the top dog in the club, they don't seem to realise that the Germans believe that they're the ones at the top. Meanwhile the Belgians sit back with a smirk on their faces because they clearly run the show having the most EU institutions located in Brussels, the Dutch just go with the flow for an easier life as does Italy. Greece wants to leave because of the slap on the wrist they received as part of their bailout, but in reality know that they'd get an even bigger slap if they do, besides which they'd have nowhere to send the illegal immigrants. The Eastern states get too much money either directly or sent home from free movement workers to want to leave, although they aren't happy with all the rules they have to follow. Likewise Spain & Portugal benefit greatly from membership. Of all the states, probably the Czech Republic & Hungary have the greatest desire to leave, but being totally surrounded makes it unattractive.
Friend does business in Denmark and comments are generally along the line of we will wait and see how the UK gets on then do the same most likely.
The Common market was what we joined the Maastricht, Lisbon treaties were treachery to our sovereignty and Tones' unlimited immigration was the last straw.
 

topground

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
If the French want to play silly beggars with our exports we should play the same games with anything coming from France including from the rest of the EU. As soon as exports from the EU into UK are held up the political pressure will mount from the rest of the EU on the French not to feck us about, They sell us more than we buy from them.
 

upnortheast

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Northumberland
I`ve always thought pragmatism would prevail. Both sellers & buyers are getting pee'd off. We are getting near to the point where some heads get knocked together & workable solutions appear
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
I`ve always thought pragmatism would prevail. Both sellers & buyers are getting pee'd off. We are getting near to the point where some heads get knocked together & workable solutions appear
Only if you read the express.
EU were clear today. We can negotiate on different border controls (EEA / Switzerland) but it would depend on the tax regime decided upon in the uk. If a Singapore regime is selected and the uk drops the working time directive as stated by rishi sunak, then you will remain under the Third Country rules currently being applied that you voted for.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Talking to one of the larger and only exporter in the South east he was relating the experience they are having so far on what tend to be smaller loads and sometimes multiple drops in Holland and Belgium.
The first load went out second week of January with little issue other than the Vet took two days to get the paperwork correct and so a very significant extra cost. Next load went out last Saturday and on arrival at Calais was eventually sent back as two boxes on the paperwork had not been ticked.
Vet came out and spent several hours on new health certificate. Truck eventually was let through after a few hours but was told the paperwork was still wrong and it had to be corrected by email.
They had complained about the inconsistency in the checks and have been told it is the French playing silly bugg?rs

The extra cost are clocking up and are around a thousand pounds a load at present with being delayed and extra ferry and tunnel costs.
There is also resistance to the increased prices seen since the New Year and they won't pay it.
So the paperwork was still wrong on the second attempt ,as you state above, the French douane , trying to help, let it through and you're complaining!
Better they reject it a second time?
 

Martin Holden

Member
Trade
Location
Cheltenham
Friend does business in Denmark and comments are generally along the line of we will wait and see how the UK gets on then do the same most likely.
The Common market was what we joined the Maastricht, Lisbon treaties were treachery to our sovereignty and Tones' unlimited immigration was the last straw.
I worked for Danish companies most of my life (not now) so know they country quite well. Being land locked to Germany and now Sweden I’d say they can’t afford to leave. They have a reasonable economy but they can’t afford to leave even if they wished to
 

Tonka

Member
Location
N Yorkshire
I`ve always thought pragmatism would prevail. Both sellers & buyers are getting pee'd off. We are getting near to the point where some heads get knocked together & workable solutions appear
We said the same about Brexit negotiations. Remind me, how long did that take before an agreement was found :oops:
 
I worked for Danish companies most of my life (not now) so know they country quite well. Being land locked to Germany and now Sweden I’d say they can’t afford to leave. They have a reasonable economy but they can’t afford to leave even if they wished to
I think it would not just be Denmark but their neighbouring like minded paymasters who like us are tired beyond belief of Brussels in a huge number of ways even although they are more European minded than we ever were.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Friend does business in Denmark and comments are generally along the line of we will wait and see how the UK gets on then do the same most likely.
The Common market was what we joined the Maastricht, Lisbon treaties were treachery to our sovereignty and Tones' unlimited immigration was the last straw.
You have got that right. It had nothing to do with the EU. Plenty of other EU countries opted to limit immigration to their countries. The UK Government decided for a free for all.
 

Ashtree

Member
Jumped up local planning twatts, cause more grief around my locality and far beyond, than all the Eurocrats put together.
More Brussels and less village hall come lately types would be no bad thing IMHO.
 

Johnnyboxer

Member
Location
Yorkshire
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le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Interesting interview with the head of the European road haulage assoc. It seems part of the problem with the paperwork is the uk IT system.
The EU got on, after the uk said we're leaving, and installed the same IT system, that works so well on the Norwegian border, down the EU coast. They offered it to the uk , who said "we'll do our own system, world beating" etc., So this EU system runs on bar codes, you feed in your info and the system gives you a code that you print and send with the load.
The uk never got around to a new system, they are using one that is 30 years old, it is making mistakes with the bar code/ wrong info gives wrong code. When scanned into the EU system, its not recognized. so instead of 30 seconds with an arm out the window, the driver has to park, get out and join the queue.
It will be interesting to see if the uk system can cope with the extra amount of EU generated codes in a few months when the uk starts scanning incoming EU lorries into the system.
 

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