Pre ems and adjuvants.

[Desangosse Ltd]

Any registered adjuvant will be listed here https://secure.pesticides.gov.uk/adjuvants/Search.aspx This is CRD's approved adjuvant list. The key is to look at the EAC (effective adjuvant component) This will help you understand what the "ai" is.

 

[Brisel]

Thanks @Brisel - I have been reading the thread with interest. There are certainly some inaccuracies in some of the posts. I am currently considering the offer of a limited place Adjuvant Academy. This is certainly not a product bash, but looks at the science behind adjuvants, water and what/where/why to use specific adjuvant chemistry types.

http://desangosse.co.uk/academy

Thanks. I'd be interested in this, though travelling to your HQ would need a bit of notice due to distance. Is an online academy an option please?

 

[Desangosse Ltd]

Thanks. I'd be interested in this, though travelling to your HQ would need a bit of notice due to distance. Is an online academy an option please?

Good idea, maybe a consideration. Let me have a think.

 

[Rob Holmes]

I'd be up for that too

 

[snipe]

me too

 

[Rob E]

Me three, online course sounds a great idea

 

[Norm]

And me

 

[BenB]

I'd be interested too.

 

[T Hectares]

Adjuvants can improve efficacy but a better investment would be applying the pesticide properly in the first place. If you can't because of practical reasons e.g. lack of capacity, poor seedbeds, then consider a little help but not at any cost.

I'm surprised that @drummer_bruhaha hasn't said anything yet...

Got to agree with the above.

Plenty of Avadex and Defy applied mid September in the following dry warm conditions would have run out of efficacy pretty quickly.
The same products applied in the last few weeks with cooler temps with some rain should be much more effective.

Defy nozzles v ai is another choice I would make before sticking adjuvants into a pre em.

 

[T Hectares]

I don't need your life story chap. This was a thread about adjuvants with pre-ems, to which I have taken a high interest in because I'm farming in a very high BG area and looking for every bit of help I can...sadly there are only few agronomists I trust nowadays so take it upon myself. It just shocks me when some (including agronomists it seems) can't explain why they are using certain things in a spray tank AND what are some are paying for rapeseed oil!
Take a deep breath, exhale and for god sake leave my pants out of this

I have buying chem for two businesses this spring, mine through a Buying group, a customer's through a distributor.

Adjuvants were the stand out product on which the prices differed, up to x3, and then certain distributors promote adjuvants in lots of extra situations
You don't need to reside at 221b Baker street to have a good stab at whats going on

 

[Oat]

Almost anyone can make an adjuvant and registration is easy, therefore this is where most distributors make their money

 

[Rob E]

I have no problem at all with them making a couple quid....IF they work or can be shown to work before my own eyes. Much different situation to the likes of 25% margins on Liberator or Adexar. That is money making I'm not keen on, unless agreed on basis of crop walking etc

 

[Rob E]

I have buying chem for two businesses this spring, mine through a Buying group, a customer's through a distributor.

Adjuvants were the stand out product on which the prices differed, up to x3, and then certain distributors promote adjuvants in lots of extra situations
You don't need to reside at 221b Baker street to have a good stab at whats going on

Agree, but not surprising. Some recommend Vigon, some Crystal, some Ceriax, some Variano. No different. Personally, I'm glad they are all different, we just have to choose what suits us and what WORKS

 

[Rob Holmes]

It was a very good and interesting meeting, I certainly learnt a lot and good to meet @Brisel and @BenB today,

Thanks @drummer_bruhaha and the team (pity we were missing the tall blonde!)

 

[BenB]

Agreed it was an excellent meeting, to those who couldn't make it I would certainly recommend trying to get to another if they run one again.

Many thanks @drummer_bruhaha very nice to meet you all.

 

[Shutesy]

It was a very good and interesting meeting, I certainly learnt a lot and good to meet @Brisel and @BenB today,

Thanks @drummer_bruhaha and the team (pity we were missing the tall blonde!)

Which meeting was this?

 

[Chalky]

Well I would be rather pleased if C-Cure/Remix/Grounded would hold residuals better in the top 30mm, rather than washing through my thinner land and knocking 4 weeks growth off my wheat. The southern lincs wolds had more rain & cereals look shocking over large areas. Emerged(just), toxic shock & still at just a few leaves from early Oct sowing. The march of BG onto a former earlyish sowing area, has had a real impact this winter.

Any proof, rather than the distributor tech notes I have got-photos included?

 

[Brisel]

Which meeting was this?

Ask @drummer_bruhaha (Thank you very much, by the way)

He ran an adjuvants training day for us just outside Birmingham.

It was an amazing excellent day too - adjuvants are an underrated way of improving spray efficacy, though the science involved is not inconsiderable but well worth looking into for anyone with BASIS or at least a half decent interest in how chemicals work.

 

[Rob Holmes]

Well I would be rather pleased if C-Cure/Remix/Grounded would hold residuals better in the top 30mm, rather than washing through my thinner land and knocking 4 weeks growth off my wheat. The southern lincs wolds had more rain & cereals look shocking over large areas. Emerged(just), toxic shock & still at just a few leaves from early Oct sowing. The march of BG onto a former earlyish sowing area, has had a real impact this winter.

Any proof, rather than the distributor tech notes I have got-photos included?

Maybe your agronomist supplied you with the incorrect adjuvant, as we learnt today, there is as much chemistry in adjuvants as there is in the AI.

 

[Chalky]

This is something that I am interested in for future use-having seen harsh phytotoxic effects this autumn(more generally than in other autumns).

Just want to see some independant info-anecdotal evidence-that these binding adjuvants can/do work!