Prilled nitrogen at 36 meters

Elliott

Member
Location
Kent
Hello
Just wondering what nitrogen people are successfully spreading at 36m?
Going from all liquid to now putting solid on at flag leaf to reduce scorch. Xtran was used last year. Looking to order soon so was wondering about alternatives.
Thanks
Elliott
 

Worsall

Member
Arable Farmer
Four years now, Nitram and Single top/Yara bella/Doubletop/ no problems at all with consistent yield mapping.
We have also used good quality prilled Urea and other compounds including Amidas, but beware ANY wind as no tolerance.
Certainly no blends, but we never liked blends even at 24m.
Headlands are the hardest to get adequate dose on first 6m without getting any outside crop boundary.
I would be happy to spread even wider with our Amazone TS.
I am still amazed at how the section control works.
Hope that helps.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I think to see differences in the crop a combine yield map from a wide header is nonsense. Any striping won't show up much unless you've got drone mapping. A low dose won't make a lot of difference if it's just a protein booster unless you can map grain protein too.

Personally I'd stick to decent branded material like Nitram or Extran at 36m. How about liquid Nufol diluted with water through your dribble bars? Does your milling contract prevent milky ripe timing doses of foliar urea?

Any local farmers/contractors with a 36m pneumatic spreader who can do it for you with cheaper grade AN? For one pass using a contractor you'd have to have considerably cheaper product to cover the cost of the pass. I'm not convinced of the merits of a £150k Kuhn AGT spreader vs a decent disc machine & better grade product. CF have been agressive in their pricing this year against imported Baltic AN to get market share.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
I think to see differences in the crop a combine yield map from a wide header is nonsense. Any striping won't show up much unless you've got drone mapping. A low dose won't make a lot of difference if it's just a protein booster unless you can map grain protein too.

Personally I'd stick to decent branded material like Nitram or Extran at 36m. How about liquid Nufol diluted with water through your dribble bars? Does your milling contract prevent milky ripe timing doses of foliar urea?

Any local farmers/contractors with a 36m pneumatic spreader who can do it for you with cheaper grade AN? For one pass using a contractor you'd have to have considerably cheaper product to cover the cost of the pass. I'm not convinced of the merits of a £150k Kuhn AGT spreader vs a decent disc machine & better grade product. CF have been agressive in their pricing this year against imported Baltic AN to get market share.

not sure how true it is but I was once told you need a difference of 30% in application evenness before you get visible stripes
 

Elliott

Member
Location
Kent
Four years now, Nitram and Single top/Yara bella/Doubletop/ no problems at all with consistent yield mapping.
We have also used good quality prilled Urea and other compounds including Amidas, but beware ANY wind as no tolerance.
Certainly no blends, but we never liked blends even at 24m.
Headlands are the hardest to get adequate dose on first 6m without getting any outside crop boundary.
I would be happy to spread even wider with our Amazone TS.
I am still amazed at how the section control works.
Hope that helps.

Lovely thanks for that!
 

Elliott

Member
Location
Kent
I think to see differences in the crop a combine yield map from a wide header is nonsense. Any striping won't show up much unless you've got drone mapping. A low dose won't make a lot of difference if it's just a protein booster unless you can map grain protein too.

Personally I'd stick to decent branded material like Nitram or Extran at 36m. How about liquid Nufol diluted with water through your dribble bars? Does your milling contract prevent milky ripe timing doses of foliar urea?

Any local farmers/contractors with a 36m pneumatic spreader who can do it for you with cheaper grade AN? For one pass using a contractor you'd have to have considerably cheaper product to cover the cost of the pass. I'm not convinced of the merits of a £150k Kuhn AGT spreader vs a decent disc machine & better grade product. CF have been agressive in their pricing this year against imported Baltic AN to get market share.

Yeah we do nufol for protein, but this just for the flag leaf stage.
A neighbour has one of those Kuhn 36 meter boom spreaders. It's very awkward to use. Flaps about like a drunk swan. They can't seem to get the output from it. Telegraph poles and small fields are just a nightmare.
 
I think to see differences in the crop a combine yield map from a wide header is nonsense. Any striping won't show up much unless you've got drone mapping. A low dose won't make a lot of difference if it's just a protein booster unless you can map grain protein too.

Personally I'd stick to decent branded material like Nitram or Extran at 36m. How about liquid Nufol diluted with water through your dribble bars? Does your milling contract prevent milky ripe timing doses of foliar urea?

Any local farmers/contractors with a 36m pneumatic spreader who can do it for you with cheaper grade AN? For one pass using a contractor you'd have to have considerably cheaper product to cover the cost of the pass. I'm not convinced of the merits of a £150k Kuhn AGT spreader vs a decent disc machine & better grade product. CF have been agressive in their pricing this year against imported Baltic AN to get market share.

A while ago when we used prilled we had half our annual purchase refunded plus substantial compensation due to poor quality product from a very reputable company. The stuff striped terribly at 24m and was clearly visible after one application to the crop. It made a big mess that subsequently ran through to harvest as we were on a two N pass at that point so had put around 125kg of actual N on with the bad stuff.

Luckily we’d got a bag left which had to be independently tested by a couple of companies who confirmed it was not hard enough. That along with the fact the spreader has been independently tested before the job and we’d got no striping anywhere else from any other batch or make of N. They didn’t had a leg to stand on but still tried to walk away from the problem citing all kinds of things as the issue. We’ve never purchased off them since.
 

Worsall

Member
Arable Farmer
I think to see differences in the crop a combine yield map from a wide header is nonsense. Any striping won't show up much unless you've got drone mapping. A low dose won't make a lot of difference if it's just a protein booster unless you can map grain protein too.

Personally I'd stick to decent branded material like Nitram or Extran at 36m. How about liquid Nufol diluted with water through your dribble bars? Does your milling contract prevent milky ripe timing doses of foliar urea?

Any local farmers/contractors with a 36m pneumatic spreader who can do it for you with cheaper grade AN? For one pass using a contractor you'd have to have considerably cheaper product to cover the cost of the pass. I'm not convinced of the merits of a £150k Kuhn AGT spreader vs a decent disc machine & better grade product. CF have been agressive in their pricing this year against imported Baltic AN to get market share.
Think your nonsense comment about yield from combine is uneducated, fake news and twoddle...we only have 30ft headers, and even if one tramline is in the 'cut' you can see it on the yield map. You need a better yield recording system, CASE is fantastically accurate and no bulls**t. We have now even fitted a light spectrometer, and are getting accurate correlations with protein content of wheat going into store. We used to run CLASS. Anyway, back to the opening question, good work rates and less tramlines...whats not to like.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Think your nonsense comment about yield from combine is uneducated, fake news and twoddle...we only have 30ft headers, and even if one tramline is in the 'cut' you can see it on the yield map. You need a better yield recording system, CASE is fantastically accurate and no bullpoo. We have now even fitted a light spectrometer, and are getting accurate correlations with protein content of wheat going into store. We used to run CLASS. Anyway, back to the opening question, good work rates and less tramlines...whats not to like.

Whatever. A 9m header will pick up more variances than a 13.5m header on your beloved yield mapping system but you'll have variations within the header width that you will not detect.

Can you tell me more about the light spectrometer please? What does it measure, apart from the light spectrum? Every day's a school day in here.
 

Elliott

Member
Location
Kent
Think your nonsense comment about yield from combine is uneducated, fake news and twoddle...we only have 30ft headers, and even if one tramline is in the 'cut' you can see it on the yield map. You need a better yield recording system, CASE is fantastically accurate and no bullpoo. We have now even fitted a light spectrometer, and are getting accurate correlations with protein content of wheat going into store. We used to run CLASS. Anyway, back to the opening question, good work rates and less tramlines...whats not to like.

Yeah could you tells us more about the light spectrometer!
 

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