Profit (!) Per Ewe.

[SJGC]

Just looking to ease some grazing pressure going into the autumn. We have very little lower ground suited to fattening lambs.

Gotcha, I was wondering if there was a reason due to the fact that they’re shedders

 

[SJGC]

That's all true but i think what saddened me was the fact that 4 out of the 6 who i asked the question of didn't seem to have a clue what it cost them to keep sheep or if the sheep made them money ----this in the face of reducing (& eliminating hopefully) BPS

Is there a farm-linked program in the UK similar to the Ranching for Profit school in the US that teaches economic analysis?

At RFP they explain that most people have been taught how to pull a calf or drive a tractor up and down in a straight line but very few have been taught how to run a business.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Is there a farm-linked program in the UK similar to the Ranching for Profit school in the US that teaches economic analysis?

At RFP they explain that most people have been taught how to pull a calf or drive a tractor up and down in a straight line but very few have been taught how to run a business.

Not that I'm aware of.

There's a couple of holistic management schools. They're probably the closest.

3+ generations of subs have made business ability optional.

 

[Tim W]

Is there a farm-linked program in the UK similar to the Ranching for Profit school in the US that teaches economic analysis?

At RFP they explain that most people have been taught how to pull a calf or drive a tractor up and down in a straight line but very few have been taught how to run a business.

Not sure ---
AHDB offer benchmarking services which includes someone coming to help analyse your business (FOC) which gives you the basic info to move on with i guess
I went on an AHDB Progressive sheep farmers course 6 years ago (FOC) and that certainly focused business /financial planning

As @unlacedgecko says the loss of subsidies would focus many minds

 

[Northern territory]

Not sure ---
AHDB offer benchmarking services which includes someone coming to help analyse your business (FOC) which gives you the basic info to move on with i guess
I went on an AHDB Progressive sheep farmers course 6 years ago (FOC) and that certainly focused business /financial planning

As @unlacedgecko says the loss of subsidies would focus many minds

Isn’t it a bit of a case of be careful what you wish for in the case of subsidies. Has it not artificially kept some of your grass and forage keeps on the cheap side. Sounds like the loss of sub is actually pushing rents higher around here.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Isn’t it a bit of a case of be careful what you wish for in the case of subsidies. Has it not artificially kept some of your grass and forage keeps on the cheap side. Sounds like the loss of sub is actually pushing rents higher around here.

How is that going to work? Loss of subs isn't going to make farming businesses any more profitable. So landlords can let for rents exclusive of sub, or farm it themselves.

 

[Tim W]

Isn’t it a bit of a case of be careful what you wish for in the case of subsidies. Has it not artificially kept some of your grass and forage keeps on the cheap side. Sounds like the loss of sub is actually pushing rents higher around here.

No ---i pay a market rate= equivalent to what anyone else in this area pays
if my rents increase it will be because someone else will pay more than me

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

That's all true but i think what saddened me was the fact that 4 out of the 6 who i asked the question of didn't seem to have a clue what it cost them to keep sheep or if the sheep made them money ----this in the face of reducing (& eliminating hopefully) BPS

You definitely need to be more on the ball than that if you're running it as a business

 

[Northern territory]

How is that going to work? Loss of subs isn't going to make farming businesses any more profitable. So landlords can let for rents exclusive of sub, or farm it themselves.

Well I was talking to someone the other day and two short term tenants who were not claiming the sub were having their rents upped by the landlords equivalent loss of sub.

 

[unlacedgecko]

Well I was talking to someone the other day and two short term tenants who were not claiming the sub were having their rents upped by the landlords equivalent loss of sub.

And what effect is going to have on their business?

 

[Northern territory]

And what effect is going to have on their business?

They have just paid it but you get my drift

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Isn’t it a bit of a case of be careful what you wish for in the case of subsidies. Has it not artificially kept some of your grass and forage keeps on the cheap side. Sounds like the loss of sub is actually pushing rents higher around here.

The same thing is happening round here as well. It makes me feel inadequate because I'd have to up my game a lot to pay these rents
Some of the big rents round here are because the land is only part of the overall picture. Someone has a farm shop so needs more land to stock his shop, someone will subsidise the farm from outside work because they want to build up stock to go for a bigger place. There's plenty of people who like the farming lifestyle and are quite happy to live on a farm, keep some nice Highland cattle, go to all the shows and pay for it from off farm income.

There's no signs of rents falling at the moment

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

Just as an addition to that, I've given up renting land, with the rents people pay and the way a lot of landlords treat you, it just felt I was working and investing to line someone else's pockets. The phrase busy fool comes to mind. I'm just sticking to what I own (all bought none inherited) and not keeping many cattle.

Mind you if I was 20 years younger I might think differently

 

[unlacedgecko]

Just as an addition to that, I've given up renting land, with the rents people pay and the way a lot of landlords treat you, it just felt I was working and investing to line someone else's pockets. The phrase busy fool comes to mind. I'm just sticking to what I own (all bought none inherited) and not keeping many cattle.

Mind you if I was 20 years younger I might think differently

I'm 25 yrs younger and I think the same as you.

 

[Northern territory]

It’s a pee poor situation. Tennant farming has gone to the dogs. It will slowly kill the industry if young farmers are not given real opportunities on farms that are not just marginal land for sky high rents.

 

[Aspiring Peasants]

I'm 25 yrs younger and I think the same as you.

You've checked my age then. So you know I'm a moaning old git

 

[ritchiekirkland]

Sold entire lambs with tails as stores no problem last year at Monmouth.

Would say up here there always cheaper than cut lambs unless there just going straight to kill out store ring . Lot of people don’t want to risk a load of tup lambs running around near ewes , store ewe lambs ect

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Should bury it so it will make some oil one day

That’s a valid argument for burying bale wrap isn’t it?

 

[Anymulewilldo]

Can clearly see the Barbados black belly influence in this one .....View attachment 1038358

What on earth are you about too do with it?!

 

[Anymulewilldo]

what's left in bank or not at end of year

That’s what I work on mostly! I know what the hoggs stand me at in the ring when I’m selling. But it’s this time of year when I look at the account and smile or grimace! Sort of a year this time.