Progress?

[FonterraFarmer]

Quite.
Especially people from other races !

One thing for sure, we all carry prejudice of some sort... some wear it with pride....

It isn't a bad thing, we just need to be self aware enough to recognise it, and ask ourselves if it is rational or not.

..... because it is seen as progress!!!!

I often allude to similar.... but I think it isn't the English who can be singled out as sensitive, few really appreciate other perspectives and counter with justification and excuses... if only excuses had a market

I have concluded that most farmers are quite happily enslaved by their lenders, or input suppliers, and are enthralled by the opportunity to intervene because it gives them purpose (or the illusion of purpose).

I often question (quietly) the other illusion: that of being self - employed.....


It all seems to be a race to go off the waterfall, to me.
Collapse of society is almost inevitable.

Waterfalls...

 

[ollie989898]

Why do you consider it an illusion? It may be ok for a farmer who is born with silver spoon in his mouth to decry debt but how is a young person starting with nothing supposed to get ahead?
I fail to understand the stigma around debt. My views maybe slightly tainted by only ever having been debt free once,which was something I had been looking forward to since I was 18. I found it boring and within 6 months loaded the debt levels back up, debt is a great motivator.

Its because they either dont understand it or are sh1t scared of it. Debt is a tool. Its employment and management is a well studied topic in any school of business. The benefits and the pitfalls could be trotted out chapter and verse by any GCSE business student.

I doubt there are many other industries where the availability of finance is so free, which, coupled with an inevitably ever growing asset base makes debt shrink almost year on year.

Is there any correlation with the 'being left behind' sentiment I wonder and an outright refusal to even contemplate long term borrowings besides that offered by a machinery rep?

 

[Canada Farmer]

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I wonder where they are.....

 

[stewart]

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Athabasca falls?

 

[FonterraFarmer]

Yes for the second one!

 

[Malish]

Bitcoin is interesting, as its effectively backed by energy. Or rather it costs energy to make it, so the supply of it is limited by the amount (and cost) of available energy. Bitcoin is 'mined' by computers solving increasingly hard mathematical problems, once the problem is solved a bitcoin (or fraction of one) is awarded. And as the problems get harder, the computing power to crack them rises, as does the power consumption of those computers. This is why bitcoin miners are increasingly located in countries and regions with cheap electricity, often from hydro-electric schemes.

So in the absence of some sudden breakthough in power generation that collapses the price of electricity, the supply of Bitcoin is ultimately limited, as eventually it will cost more in electricity than the value of the bitcoin produced. Which in turn makes it potentially a better store of value than fiat currencies, which can be produced in infinite amounts at the pressing of the Central Bank button.

The biggest problem for Bitcoin as I see it is that it is such an obvious independent competitor to the fiat currencies of the major world financial blocs that they will cut it off at the knees if it even has the slightest possibility of collapsing their fiat currency systems. States have the guns and the power and will use them to get their way - if that means outlawing Bitcoin and using State power to enforce that ban, they will. They are not going to allow a few nerds with computers destroy their entire system of finance and governance without a nasty fight. The moment Bitcoin (or any electronic currency not controlled by the State) looks like starting to rival fiat money as a medium of exchange they will outlaw it (there are already mutterings from politicians about Bitcoin facilitating criminal activities), have a few show trials and bang some ringleaders up for a suitably long time pour encourager les autres, and frighten off the masses, which will kill it stone dead.

One should view the State as a form of the Mafia - they do not allow newcomers to take over their turf without a fight, and the State will not step aside in a a gentlemanly and democratic manner when faced with a totally legal but existential threat.

Bitcoin is really a progress! Look here it's even posible to pay for game services by cryptocurrency. For example you make in-game payments what is convinient for gamers. This service http://gamecredits-mobilego.com/ gives the opportunity to get better top gaming programs and their addons and even to take part in internet sport competitions. Read about it if it's interesting.

 

[Courier]

Bitcoin is really a progress! Look here it's even posible to pay for game services by cryptocurrency. For example you make in-game payments what is convinient for gamers. This service http://gamecredits-mobilego.com/ gives the opportunity to get better top gaming programs and their addons and even to take part in internet sport competitions. Read about it if it's interesting.

Since when was "Gaming" anything other than a fad indulged in by folk with nothing more useful and constructive to do ?

 

[Canada Farmer]

Bitcoin is really a progress! Look here it's even posible to pay for game services by cryptocurrency. For example you make in-game payments what is convinient for gamers. This service http://gamecredits-mobilego.com/ gives the opportunity to get better top gaming programs and their addons and even to take part in internet sport competitions. Read about it if it's interesting.

More like computer generated bull shite for people with no desire to live life in the real world.

 

[Frodo2]

Since when was "Gaming" anything other than a fad indulged in by folk with nothing more useful and constructive to do ?

I think only a farmer can come out with a statement like that.

Any other occupation would appreciate that they owe there existence to a similar "fad" and be greatful that people aspire to move beyond substance existence and enjoy a leisure activity.

If course given the levels of obesity and alcohol abuse in this country it is pretty clear that our industry became a major supplier to the leisure industry a long time ago.

 

[Bury the Trash]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46019429

 

[Al R]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46019429

I’m pretty incredible stitching a prolapse, can thread a needle pretty well and hand skills are pretty good. I actually did a fair bit of gaming in my teens - 15 years on my older brother is still gaming and is an electrician/computer wizard earning double local wage.

But yes there is a whole section of society that are useless.

 

[Bury the Trash]

I’m pretty incredible stitching a prolapse, can thread a needle pretty well and hand skills are pretty good. I actually did a fair bit of gaming in my teens - 15 years on my older brother is still gaming and is an electrician/computer wizard earning double local wage.

But yes there is a whole section of society that are useless. I know it’s not exactly the right thing to say but the Great War was 100 years to soon!

could it be that you did other ordinary things as well ?

I think its the screen tapping as well they say is bad . their whole world revolves around electronics could be the prob.

 

[Courier]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46019429

Professor Kneebone ?? ..... Seriously.


Yes . https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/r.kneebone

 

[wasted years]

Its because they either dont understand it or are sh1t scared of it. Debt is a tool. Its employment and management is a well studied topic in any school of business. The benefits and the pitfalls could be trotted out chapter and verse by any GCSE business student.

I doubt there are many other industries where the availability of finance is so free, which, coupled with an inevitably ever growing asset base makes debt shrink almost year on year.

Is there any correlation with the 'being left behind' sentiment I wonder and an outright refusal to even contemplate long term borrowings besides that offered by a machinery rep?

I agree with the last bit, amazing how many tenants will tell you they have no money for land but have 100k upwards in new(ish) machines busily getting worth less every year.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Professor Kneebone ?? ..... Seriously.


Yes . https://www.imperial.ac.uk/people/r.kneebone

He shouldve been a leg specialist [emoji850]

 

[Cowabunga]

I agree with the last bit, amazing how many tenants will tell you they have no money for land but have 100k upwards in new(ish) machines busily getting worth less every year.

Perhaps ownership of the machinery is justified by increased productivity and is cheaper and more reliable than a contractor? The government laments the lack of investment to improve the productivity of British industry. That includes agriculture of course and the aim is to do more with less labour and sell cheaper and more competitively than otherwise possible.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

No one has ever give me a reason why low cost milk production as practiced in the 70ts cant work anymore

 

[DRC]

No one has ever give me a reason why low cost milk production as practiced in the 70ts cant work anymore

Isn't that a New Zealand type system.
There's a large estate near me that milk 1400 cows that never get housed.

 

[DRC]

No one has ever give me a reason why low cost milk production as practiced in the 70ts cant work anymore

http://sansaw.co.uk/dairy/

 

[Cowabunga]

I was at the Welsh Agricultural College in the seventies and they had a low cost Spring calving herd at Frondeg, Blaenplwyf. They found that January/February calving gave the best return, along with feeding around a ton of concentrates, so that they yielded higher and grass could provide almost all nutrients for yield after turning out in late March or early April, whenever the weather allowed.
Back then of course they only yielded 5500 litres maximum in total even with the concentrates. About 4200 from grass. Which is just a bit less than I get today from grass with a more Autumn biassed, but all year round herd yielding 8500 litres.
So seventies performance just doesn't hack it today. Cows and general management have improved no end on the majority of farms, including those with Spring calving herds of course.

WAC has long gone as has the University's herd at Frondeg. It just couldn't be made profitable using paid labour over the last ten years. Instead they have a massive new unit at Trawscoed which is bleeding even more money and has nowhere near the number of cows originally planned for.