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[DRC]

Ugandan beef 'will have honoured place' in UK, PM says

Beef produced in Uganda will have an 'honoured place' on the UK's supermarket shelves post-Brexit, Boris Johnson has said.

www.farminguk.com

Buckle up

 

[B'o'B]

Ugandan beef 'will have honoured place' in UK, PM says

Beef produced in Uganda will have an 'honoured place' on the UK's supermarket shelves post-Brexit, Boris Johnson has said.

www.farminguk.com

Buckle up

This is where the real danger to our industry will come from.

 

[Bossfarmer]

I still take the view that no bank would lend money to invest in a depreciating asset. If/when the crunch comes
banks will want to tighten up the security required when making loans to buy assets which won't/can't pay their own
way. And remember, if a crunch comes, the banks will look at all loans made on property investments, so anybody
wanting to borrow money to buy a farm and hoping to use houses,flats,industrial units as collateral, may be suprised
at how tardy banks will become.

Who said anything about borrowing the money? If i had 10 flats and land values collapsed you can be sure id sell the lot and buy up as much as possible

 

[Suffolk Serf]

Who said anything about borrowing the money? If i had 10 flats and land values collapsed you can be sure id sell the lot and buy up as much as possible

Be careful what you wish for.
It would take a crash in the overall economy to tank land values I believe, and that would mean that property prices wouldn’t be too sharp either.

 

[Bossfarmer]

spot on, modern ag has been fighting nature for years, me included, we simply have not looked after our biggest asset, the soil, on which our livey hoods depend. And we have got away with it, till now. 'Modern' ag only goes back to the need to produce more food, in ww2, till then, it was still pretty traditional, most farms had stock, which produced the fertilizer for the arable crops. WW2 brought in machinery, manafatured fertilizer, and sprays, and these changed the way farming had been. 75 years later, the buzz word is protect the soil, arable farmers are now looking for fym to rebuild fertility, and structure. The unpalatable truth, is that we have, in only 75 years, knackered the soil, in many cases. Good soil structure, will build fertility, retain more water, and absorb more carbon, and what is every green idealist talking about ? As farmers, we have to restart working with the soil again,

Weve never stopped building fertility every field on the farm in stubble gets muck every year and every field is grassed down for a period of 5 years at some point, this spreads risk and maintains the soil but if subs go ill need to start cropping everything and look for straw/muck swaps

 

[Bossfarmer]

I'm not looking for fym, our organic matter is over 5% in most fields without livestock. We've just not removed any straw for years and years.

Is your soil quite heavy and whats your annual rainfall if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Jo28]

Is your soil quite heavy and whats your annual rainfall if you dont mind me asking?

Depends what you refer to as heavy, we have 2 blocks of fairly heavy clay, one light and the rest is mainly silt/warp. The rainfall is too bloody much especially this year. I love a good drought!

 

[B'o'B]

Who said anything about borrowing the money? If i had 10 flats and land values collapsed you can be sure id sell the lot and buy up as much as possible

Why? Would you really sell assets that are showing a return to turn into assets that are not?
Surely that just turns a diverse investment portfolio into a narrow portfolio with low returns?
No doubt you would then kick and scream some more that your investment needed subsidies to offer you a return on your capital without even the slightest hint of irony!

 

[Bossfarmer]

Why? Would you really sell assets that are showing a return to turn into assets that are not?
Surely that just turns a diverse investment portfolio into a narrow portfolio with low returns?
No doubt you would then kick and scream some more that your investment needed subsidies to offer you a return on your capital without even the slightest hint of irony!

Simple reason, in the long term the land value will rise, plus it has tax benefits which flats dont, most big farms have cottages anyway so they will provide additional income as will shooting/diversified income

 

[B'o'B]

Simple reason, in the long term the land value will rise, plus it has tax benefits which flats dont, most big farms have cottages anyway so they will provide additional income as will shooting/diversified income

So surely you don’t need subs then if the investment is so good?

 

[fgc325j]

Why? Would you really sell assets that are showing a return to turn into assets that are not?
Surely that just turns a diverse investment portfolio into a narrow portfolio with low returns?
No doubt you would then kick and scream some more that your investment needed subsidies to offer you a return on your capital without even the slightest hint of irony!

Ah! - in Bossfarmer's world the value of everyone else's land/property falls in value, his doesn't, and on top of that when it
comes to selling his properties he has no problem being able to sell them at pre-crash prices - simples!!!

 

[unlacedgecko]

on u tube, there is an American rancher doing just that, greg judy, farming normally went bust, now buying farms, there is a lot to interest, and teach us, its the cheapest way I've seen farming done, ok, its a different country, but the basic points are interesting.

One of my heroes.

 

[Danllan]

on u tube, there is an American rancher doing just that, greg judy, farming normally went bust, now buying farms, there is a lot to interest, and teach us, its the cheapest way I've seen farming done, ok, its a different country, but the basic points are interesting.

See below...

One of my heroes.

Interesting fellow, I'd never heard of him before. Just watched a couple of short videos and he seems switched-on. Thanks for the heads-up you two.

 

[Danllan]

Ah! - in Bossfarmer's world the value of everyone else's land/property falls in value, his doesn't, and on top of that when it
comes to selling his properties he has no problem being able to sell them at pre-crash prices - simples!!!

I've a lot of family up there who seem fine - - but what Bossfarmer thinks about property, the SNP think about oil, perhaps it's catching...

 

[steveR]

Ugandan beef 'will have honoured place' in UK, PM says

Beef produced in Uganda will have an 'honoured place' on the UK's supermarket shelves post-Brexit, Boris Johnson has said.

www.farminguk.com

Buckle up

FFS.

Now, just what is it that Bozzer and his Mates want the Ugandan Govt to buy off the UK...??

Read https://www.newvision.co.ug/new_vision/news/1478412/foot-mouth-disease-discovered-ankole-calf and worry!!

 

[farmerm]

Ugandan beef 'will have honoured place' in UK, PM says

Beef produced in Uganda will have an 'honoured place' on the UK's supermarket shelves post-Brexit, Boris Johnson has said.

www.farminguk.com

Buckle up

Once again Borris tells his audience what they want to hear, all things to all people but its all just hot air and good intentions, what actual gets implemented is done largely quietly and left in the hands of unelected civil servants. Borris doesn't really have many strong political views of his own.

 

[steveR]

Once again Borris tells his audience what they want to hear, all things to all people but its all just hot air and good intentions, what actual gets implemented is done largely quietly and left in the hands of unelected civil servants. Borris doesn't really have many strong political views of his own.

Bozzers mate, Dom....! No friend of British industry that one..

 

[som farmer]

FFS.

Now, just what is it that Bozzer and his Mates want the Ugandan Govt to buy off the UK...??

Read https://www.newvision.co.ug/new_vision/news/1478412/foot-mouth-disease-discovered-ankole-calf and worry!!

its simple, you want to sell to a country, that country will want to sell to you, ie trade. I posted ages ago that a lot of countries we will want to sell to, will be 'less developed' ones, and, unfortuantly, ag goods might be the product they wish to sell us ! But, it shouldn't be a big issue, everyone seems to look for negatives, when really they should be promoting trade, we are the 5th largest economy in the world, other countries will want to start trading with us, we have all got used to being told we won't be able to go it alone. Todays headline, highest employment we have ever had, the big concern, is how EU will get on without our trading, and monetary imput, and they are the ones saying we will fail.

 

[Cowcorn]

We’ve sold kit we don’t need and have a fairly up to date group of stuff including a half share in a a second drill last year and a new combine this year. I know my exact figures and we are significantly below the ahdb average for operating overheads with quite a lot of capacity spare, I could put an extra 300ha through the combine I think. There is still significant improvement to be made on those figures also, which I am very aware of.
there is this weird view on the TFF that just because people aren’t running knackered old rubbish they must be completely over borrowed on HP’s.
I suppose the other fact is that I am 28 withPerhaps a different view on this all compared to a lot of farmers who are in their 60’s 70’s?

Dont knock the guys who use old kit , paper never refused ink but the field will try the man . Growing up many men prefered to buy new machinery and expand renting and contracting . My auld fella worked the shite out of men and machines welded and patched and kept things going . He bought LAND at every opportunity even with intrest rates at 20 % . A neighbour who went the opposite way with new kit said he was mad shure you could rent all the land you want why would you torture yourself with wore out kit ? My father told him that like his father before him he knew too much about landlords and their rents and Land was always a good buy . That man trebled the acreage he owned during his lifetime with his skimping and scraping and mend and make do policies . The sane land is worth 14000 euro an acre today what would machinery be worth ? Sfa i would say but then again it depends on what you want out of it . I wouldnt think you that their would be much demand for no till lessons either any man who ever marked out a field and ploughed a straight furrow would find no till childs play !!!

 

[B'o'B]

Dont knock the guys who use old kit , paper never refused ink but the field will try the man . Growing up many men prefered to buy new machinery and expand renting and contracting . My auld fella worked the shite out of men and machines welded and patched and kept things going . He bought LAND at every opportunity even with intrest rates at 20 % . A neighbour who went the opposite way with new kit said he was mad shure you could rent all the land you want why would you torture yourself with wore out kit ? My father told him that like his father before him he knew too much about landlords and their rents and Land was always a good buy . That man trebled the acreage he owned during his lifetime with his skimping and scraping and mend and make do policies . The sane land is worth 14000 euro an acre today what would machinery be worth ? Sfa i would say but then again it depends on what you want out of it . I wouldnt think you that their would be much demand for no till lessons either any man who ever marked out a field and ploughed a straight furrow would find no till childs play !!!

There are things to learn about no-till, just as there is about ploughing. A lot of knowledge is interchangeable between the two, but also a lot of knowledge isn’t.
You don’t need new kit to no-till, our drill will be 20 years old this autumn and the tractor that pulls it turned 30 last year. We’ve had both from new. If you can make a true economic case to change kit then it is worth changing kit, I haven’t been able to find kit that would deliver our business an economic benefit over what we have so I’ll keep it going until I can.