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Im angry for you, its the way they dress up the truth that annoys me
I’m going to chuckle about your first four words all day. Legendary
Im angry for you, its the way they dress up the truth that annoys me
If your selling what your producing at a loss it will soon disappear.35 grand is a $hit ton of money however you dress it up, it’s £675 quid a week, more than most of the greater public earn and double than most on the minimum wage.
Yes, loads of sympathy for that.
Lets just say I think DEFRA have quite a bit of work to do before they will be able to clarify anything for you. I believe their timetable for rolling out ELMS is technically known as "extremely ambitious", but probably more towards the "hopelessly optimistic" end of the scale.
If they have anything coherent to tell you which actually makes it to the final scheme I'll be amazed!
Any proof to back up your last sentence?As many predicted and were accused of "scaremongering" and "project fear" before the brexit vote, the government has announced farm subsidies in england are being phased out completely starting next year, they are being "replaced" with enviro payments but the nasty truth of the matter is these payments wont even be an option until 2024 by which point youll have gone 3 years of cuts with nothing to replace them and the new schemes may cost money to participate in so wont be profit, you may even find that most schemes are not suitable to your farm, where does this leave the majority of english farmers who as george eustice admitted "rely on direct support" for profitability???
The government has dressed this nasty betrayal up by saying such things as theyre going to "tackle the causes of poor profitability" but at the same time save the environment and animal welfare, are they not aware of the effect removing support had in NZ? farms scaled up massively, farmed more intensively with big dairies polluting rivers right left and centre??
Yes there is massive amounts of work going into ELMS at the moment, but I'm not sure the people doing the work actually know what DEFRA really want from them!I think they have a massive amount of work to do, one of the main things we are going to say to them. There just seems to be a massive void of information right now. But I feel from other conversations that a lot more is going on in the background then we are aware of.
Try and keep your chin up fella, this year has been an absolute pig for many. We all have rough days and it sounds you're having quite a few at the moment. I hope it picks up for you soon.I'm not counting on receiving anything though. They didn't pay my BPS a couple of years ago which was a good lesson in how to get by without it. It was manageable. We will survive, one way or another, but it might not be farming as we know it but frankly I don't care as I am fairly sick of farming anyway. As far as I care the whole thing could disappear into a hole in the ground. Its a thankless treadmill of drudgery, well at least this sugar beet harvest has, and its not even over yet. Harvester stuck for umpteenth time.
If your selling what your producing at a loss it will soon disappear.
Do you farm?
Haven't read a paper in years, surely you know to believe the opposite of what is in a papernot when every farming paper i open is full of the nonsense
Don't worry boss farmer, the prices of beef, sheep, grain will have to jump up in price to make up the sub lose, those poor buggers in Wales only have till 2021,
The subs go straight to the net profit, anything you do to try and replace them wont, a land agent told me hes expecting a lot to be up for sale in the coming years its a war out there!I do. I farm LFA, Profits are low and I claim a subsidy of four figures. I also do other things.
I also recognise farming marginal to poor land, or mountain is completely different to those on good land.
Subs although largely de-coupled from Agricultural business still does have a lot to commend its continued support in the years to come with environmental changes - and in promoting the retention of carbon.
Farms are asset rich and cash poor, bitching about subs just for the sake of it is boring and unnecessary, I realise loses happen due to unsustainable prices, and profit is difficult on good land, and all but impossible on poor land but to equate subs to farm profit in this post Brexit age with what the country as a whole faces for the period of transition to the average layman is unpalatable imo.
Your farming how many acres?
Please do not consider it only from an arable point of view. Remember that the livestock sector makes up a massive percentage of arable sales and therefore arable income.@Chris F I wish I was a fly on the wall at that meeting, I am sure you and Clive can ask some pointed questions to get a bit out of them. There are many farmers looking very carefully at there bank balance or lack of it. We are scared of doing something that will jeopardise future payments. We are scared stiff of one sided agreements too, as we all farm private land to the best of our ability!! Good luck and report back as soon as possible, and do not sign any Gagging orders!!!
WB
You can blame them pesky Europeans for that, well, the ones from the Netherlands anyway ?Bit late , by the early eighties most had been took down and cut up, well ours were anyway, totally changed the look of the landscape
However, I have always felt it odd that anyone believed that the UK government would be more supportive of agriculture than the EU have been. We are but a handful of peasants, who’s votes make very little difference to the career politicians we have today.
The government should give an example of an ordinary farm 300/400acre, who got say 35 grand from subs, this farm would be mostly grass and rough grazing, sheep and some cows and explain how get the same money back threw environmental schemes. Clean air, and how many hoops you have to jump threw to get it, l. Bet they haven't a clue.