"Project fear" proven right....GOVERNMENT WASTES NO TIME IN SHUTTING DOWN UK FARMS!!!!

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
how would that tally with numbers of farmers or total area farmed ?
Depends how you define "a farm" to an extent - if it has a sheep is it a farm?
Our rugby field has sheep on it most of the time, and the golf course :oops:
But there are probably about 50 thousand "farms" here of various description

Would have to check my facts but I believe 13.8 million hectares is deemed "farmland" here and 9.3m ha in the UK. Maybe they have the same definitions or close?
But our arable area is much less, hence why grain is worth a lot more than COP here (a bit like the tractors)
 

farmerm

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Shropshire
I agree.

Would make you wonder more folk don't make a point to own more sh!t that depreciates and wears out, instead of running a modest tractor lightly and watching the new contractor struggle to pay his bills instead! (y)

It seems the people that do the work love the work to the point they'll do it for love..... fair play..... but there are other options
We have been pioneering that approach for years! Our contractors don't appear to struggle with their bills but they do work their nuts off, not uncommon to find them putting in consecutive 20hour days when cutting silage or drilling, I bet over the year they probably average 80hour working week. They put more hours on each tractor in one year than I put on ours in 10 years or more!
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
contractor isn't always cheaper and were do you stop with it ? rent the farm out ?
The floor of your business has to be based against doing exactly that - renting it out, or why would you risk time+capital for less return?

Just as well not everyone "gets it" or there would be a lot of "farmers" getting knee replacements from "skiing accidents" instead of crutching wet sheep
 
We have been pioneering that approach for years! Our contractors don't appear to struggle with their bills but they do work their nuts off, not uncommon to find them putting in consecutive 20hour days when cutting silage or drilling, I bet over the year they probably average 80hour working week. They put more hours on each tractor in one year than I put on ours in 10 years or more!

And that is how they justify their money. I bet they don't try to do every job for pence either.

I suspect contractors may find their role increasing in scope and workload over time as labour in the industry is harder to find.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
We have been pioneering that approach for years! Our contractors don't appear to struggle with their bills but they do work their nuts off, not uncommon to find them putting in consecutive 20hour days when cutting silage or drilling, I bet over the year they probably average 80hour working week. They put more hours on each tractor in one year than I put on ours in 10 years or more!
At one point I could still 'hear' my bale beeper going off in my dreams/head under the shower/head between boobs

I realised then that although I do like machines, there is a limit [for me] just how much I want to do in them, especially in one day... I still do some driving but business pays better than work
 

farmerm

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Location
Shropshire
The floor of your business has to be based against doing exactly that - renting it out, or why would you risk time+capital for less return?

Just as well not everyone "gets it" or there would be a lot of "farmers" getting knee replacements from "skiing accidents" instead of crutching wet sheep
I know I would much rather be snowboarding than crutching wet sheep! For many the why is pride and stubbornness, not willing to admit defeat, not willing to accept someone else can (or at least they believe they can) make a better job of it, not wanting to be the generation that "failed"! Farmers tend to want to be farmers even when the numbers suggest they should take the rent and do something else! As long as they can make an income they would rather carry on, even when they could make the same income from renting out and be free to earn additional income elsewhere. The average income above the rental value on our place is just about worthwhile but I could argue the case either way depending what value I place on my time and capital... If we did let the farm or part of, due to the current ownership structure we would need to seriously consider the inheritance tax implications, changing the status of currently exempt assets, particularly the farmhouse, could result in a 6 digit IHT liability. :oops:
 
I know I would much rather be snowboarding than crutching wet sheep! For many the why is pride and stubbornness, not willing to admit defeat, not willing to accept someone else can (or at least they believe they can) make a better job of it, not wanting to be the generation that "failed"! Farmers tend to want to be farmers even when the numbers suggest they should take the rent and do something else! As long as they can make an income they would rather carry on, even when they could make the same income from renting out and be free to earn additional income elsewhere. The average income above the rental value on our place is just about worthwhile but I could argue the case either way depending what value I place on my time and capital... If we did let the farm or part of, due to the current ownership structure we would need to seriously consider the inheritance tax implications, changing the status of currently exempt assets, particularly the farmhouse, could result in a 6 digit IHT liability. :oops:
Also would I be right in thinking that rental income would be classed as un earned income and would be treated differently for tax purposes ? It’s not impossible you could make just as much not farming but be worse off.
 

Smith31

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Subsidies will not end. Our lovely queen would tell Boris to f**k off, if he told her she wouldn't be receiving an annual payment for Royal owned farm land.

They may be altered in a way which is more beneficial to farm land owning politicians. Other then that, it's all a load of b0llocks this thread.
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Subsidies will not end. Our lovely queen would tell Boris to fudge off, if he told her she wouldn't be receiving an annual payment for Royal owned farm land.

They may be altered in a way which is more beneficial to farm land owning politicians. Other then that, it's all a load of b0llocks this thread.
You just keep telling yourself that and I’m sure everything will work out just fine for you. Nothing to see here.





......Meanwhile back in the real world
 

Smith31

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You just keep telling yourself that and I’m sure everything will work out just fine for you. Nothing to see here.





......Meanwhile back in the real world

With respect, I think you underestimate the power of politicians and the Royal family. Why do multi millionaire businessmen enter politics? Because they can influence financial decisions ;) i.e Mr Trump.


Whilst the Royal family and senior politicians have an interest in thousands of acres of farm land, we will continue to receive subs in some form and tax exemptions.

There can be no other outcome, money equals power. There are alot of wealthy farm land owning individuals in London, who are very powerful and influential, they will not allow their personal wealth to be adversely impacted upon.

We are mere plebs, we can discuss it till the cows come home, but the outcome will be the same, no major changes will be implemented which could negatively impact on land prices.
 
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Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
Shipping by boat is pretty cheap.

On your reasoning, why are Kubota tractors one of the cheapest over here, when they are made on the other side of the world (& far closer to you guys)?

The Kubota tractors that are built in Japan are lean stockmans tractors, not the fat and flabby machines, so beloved of our arable brethren. :D:whistle:
 

Ukjay

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Location
Wales!
With respect, I think you underestimate the power of politicians and the Royal family. Why do multi millionaire businessmen enter politics? Because they can influence financial decisions ;) i.e Mr Trump.


Whilst the Royal family and senior politicians have an interest in thousands of acres of farm land, we will continue to receive subs in some form and tax exemptions.

There can be no other outcome, money equals power. There are alot of wealthy farm land owning individuals in London, who are very powerful and influential, they will not allow their personal wealth to be adversely impacted upon.

We are mere plebs.


Nooooo, you got it all wrong.

Rich Folks and rule makers are putting their money into high value land simply to let it devalue by say 50% through stupidity, and will be happy as a pig in sh!t to do so.....
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Shipping by boat is pretty cheap.

On your reasoning, why are Kubota tractors one of the cheapest over here, when they are made on the other side of the world (& far closer to you guys)?
Because Kubota want to increase their sales volume in the land of snobs, while overall sales numbers are slipping?
This is why they are buying whole businesses and rebranding them, nothing to do with location for Kubota as they want a piece of the action in the EU - because they've identified that's where the loose fiscal policies lie
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
With respect, I think you underestimate the power of politicians and the Royal family. Why do multi millionaire businessmen enter politics? Because they can influence financial decisions ;) i.e Mr Trump.


Whilst the Royal family and senior politicians have an interest in thousands of acres of farm land, we will continue to receive subs in some form and tax exemptions.

There can be no other outcome, money equals power. There are alot of wealthy farm land owning individuals in London, who are very powerful and influential, they will not allow their personal wealth to be adversely impacted upon.

We are mere plebs, we can discuss it till the cows come home, but the outcome will he the same, no major changes will be implemented which could negatively impact on land prices.

I am quite sure they will already have an army of advisers working out how to maximise the returns from 'Public money for public good' along with all the others like the RSPB, NT, Wetlands trust, etc. However, you can safely see £2 billion or more of the 3, going into the administration of the whole thing. I mean, how do you even go about measuring and monitoring soil improvement nationally. Could end up with more clipboard warriors than farmers. :scratchhead:
 

CornishTone

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BASIS
Location
Cornwall
With respect, I think you underestimate the power of politicians and the Royal family. Why do multi millionaire businessmen enter politics? Because they can influence financial decisions ;) i.e Mr Trump.


Whilst the Royal family and senior politicians have an interest in thousands of acres of farm land, we will continue to receive subs in some form and tax exemptions.

There can be no other outcome, money equals power. There are alot of wealthy farm land owning individuals in London, who are very powerful and influential, they will not allow their personal wealth to be adversely impacted upon.

We are mere plebs, we can discuss it till the cows come home, but the outcome will be the same, no major changes will be implemented which could negatively impact on land prices.

I am quite sure they will already have an army of advisers working out how to maximise the returns from 'Public money for public good' along with all the others like the RSPB, NT, Wetlands trust, etc. However, you can safely see £2 billion or more of the 3, going into the administration of the whole thing. I mean, how do you even go about measuring and monitoring soil improvement nationally. Could end up with more clipboard warriors than a pop farmers. :scratchhead:

Yes, the likes of the RSPB and NT are among the largest recipients of government payments, and they intend to keep it that way. They have a huge amount of influence, indeed the RSPB have offices inside DEFRA and they will be using that influence to lobby their own agenda, and you can bet they aren’t going to be going out of their way to let “ordinary” land owners/farmers get anything.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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    Votes: 79 42.0%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 66 35.1%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.0%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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