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Cowcorn

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Mixed Farmer
Why? You've just provided them with a job that's all. If mum and dad are still in control of the farm you're just a farm worker.
If a farm worker worked on one farm all their life, they wouldn't expect to inherit the farm would they.
If the parents want you to work on the farm in order to take over one day then it should be properly discussed before hand.
In the situation up thread what happens if there's only room for one and the oldest stays?
Or one leaves is successful and wants to buy the farm off their parents so they can have a comfortable retirement?
I fail to see why well educated siblings who have never contributed to the farm never put in the long days at harvest or got up at night to calve cows and only show up on Sunday to eat the roast beef that your sweat is paying for should get any share of the farm lf you encourage any of your children into farming then you should not expect them to mortage the place to the hilt to buy out the rest of the family especially if the worked hard for small money in the expectation of inheriting.
Both of my non AG brothers have 6 figure salaries and sicken my arse with their constant references to how much my farm is worth and how LUCKY i am.
Never a mention of how their education was funded or what i was at when you the were enjoying the student lifestyle.
As for the Sisters dont please get me started , my relationdhip with those witches and there grabby partners is to say the least diffucult.
My mother thank god is healthy and extremely active and i also inherited the obligation to provoide for her needs which currently i pay her an allowance of 2000 euros a month while the rest of them eat her out of house and home every sunday and dont even mow the lawn
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
I fail to see why well educated siblings who have never contributed to the farm never put in the long days at harvest or got up at night to calve cows and only show up on Sunday to eat the roast beef that your sweat is paying for should get any share of the farm lf you encourage any of your children into farming then you should not expect them to mortage the place to the hilt to buy out the rest of the family especially if the worked hard for small money in the expectation of inheriting.
Both of my non AG brothers have 6 figure salaries and sicken my arse with their constant references to how much my farm is worth and how LUCKY i am.
Never a mention of how their education was funded or what i was at when you the were enjoying the student lifestyle.
As for the Sisters dont please get me started , my relationdhip with those witches and there grabby partners is to say the least diffucult.
My mother thank god is healthy and extremely active and i also inherited the obligation to provoide for her needs which currently i pay her an allowance of 2000 euros a month while the rest of them eat her out of house and home every sunday and dont even mow the lawn

Every situation is different, its why its so hard to sort out. I do think parents should be allowed to do whatever they want regarding who gets what, if anything.
I think arguments start because siblings are treated differently, especially daughters and often there's no real succession plan put in place early on.
Could all of your siblings have stayed on farm if they wanted? Could you have gone to university?
I don't believe that just because someone stays at home and works on their parents farm that they should automatically be handed everything. In my opinion at 16 staying at home and 'working for dad' is the easy option and shouldn't be considered some huge sacrifice.
Maybe a better solution is for all siblings to go off and make their own way then all get together to discuss succession whenever the parents are ready to step aside.
I think its sad that families fall out over who owns a bit of dirt and sadder still that they cant all get together and talk about it.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Every situation is different, its why its so hard to sort out. I do think parents should be allowed to do whatever they want regarding who gets what, if anything.
I think arguments start because siblings are treated differently, especially daughters and often there's no real succession plan put in place early on.
Could all of your siblings have stayed on farm if they wanted? Could you have gone to university?
I don't believe that just because someone stays at home and works on their parents farm that they should automatically be handed everything. In my opinion at 16 staying at home and 'working for dad' is the easy option and shouldn't be considered some huge sacrifice.
Maybe a better solution is for all siblings to go off and make their own way then all get together to discuss succession whenever the parents are ready to step aside.
I think its sad that families fall out over who owns a bit of dirt and sadder still that they cant all get together and talk about it.
There wasnt the same fall outs when land was £1000 per acre.
Your theory is a good theory , but life rarely happens like that.
Fathers take ill or die, they get inbolved in politics etc and sons / daughters get flung in to keep the farm afloat.
Siblings who leave home often have a better relationship with parents becsuse they arent around to have a fall out
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
I've seen similar, I wonder if the parents are blind to it or they think he or she has the brains and talent to make it regardless, so we'll set the other one up with the farm to help them?

That was my mother's thinking when she disinherited me and left all the money from our family home to my sister.
 
I fail to see why well educated siblings who have never contributed to the farm never put in the long days at harvest or got up at night to calve cows and only show up on Sunday to eat the roast beef that your sweat is paying for should get any share of the farm lf you encourage any of your children into farming then you should not expect them to mortage the place to the hilt to buy out the rest of the family especially if the worked hard for small money in the expectation of inheriting.
Both of my non AG brothers have 6 figure salaries and sicken my arse with their constant references to how much my farm is worth and how LUCKY i am.
Never a mention of how their education was funded or what i was at when you the were enjoying the student lifestyle.
As for the Sisters dont please get me started , my relationdhip with those witches and there grabby partners is to say the least diffucult.
My mother thank god is healthy and extremely active and i also inherited the obligation to provoide for her needs which currently i pay her an allowance of 2000 euros a month while the rest of them eat her out of house and home every sunday and dont even mow the lawn
this sums it all up in fairness
 

deere 6600

Member
Mixed Farmer
I fail to see why well educated siblings who have never contributed to the farm never put in the long days at harvest or got up at night to calve cows and only show up on Sunday to eat the roast beef that your sweat is paying for should get any share of the farm lf you encourage any of your children into farming then you should not expect them to mortage the place to the hilt to buy out the rest of the family especially if the worked hard for small money in the expectation of inheriting.
Both of my non AG brothers have 6 figure salaries and sicken my arse with their constant references to how much my farm is worth and how LUCKY i am.
Never a mention of how their education was funded or what i was at when you the were enjoying the student lifestyle.
As for the Sisters dont please get me started , my relationdhip with those witches and there grabby partners is to say the least diffucult.
My mother thank god is healthy and extremely active and i also inherited the obligation to provoide for her needs which currently i pay her an allowance of 2000 euros a month while the rest of them eat her out of house and home every sunday and dont even mow the lawn
There is not a lot wrong with this !!!!
 
Daughters or sons who get education paid for and get good jobs elsewhere should expect nothing from a farm inheritance. If they do, they should give it back to the working sibling.
What if then daughter's /sons want to peruse off farm and contribute to employing someone or towards son who wants to stay home how's that one going to pan out there's some sibling go for the easy ride sometimes
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
But is the market value of that asset to be realised? Hard to tell what lies possibly far into the future.

If no children wish to actually make a livelihood out of it, then it's going to come to an end anyway, and splitting seems fair.

But if you have a child who you believe is genuinely going to make it his or her livelihood, especially if they have the possibility of passing it on to their child who may do the same, then you are not in practice handing over a million quid. It's a collection of fields with which to generate an income - which quite possibly would not match the income and lifestyle of the children earning off farm. In some cases it can be an expensive millstone.

Leave your house and cash to the others and they will be better off than the one who got the farm and never realised the selling price of it.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
Do any of you have children? I can fully see the problems from all angles, but my sole possibley futile aim is that all my kids are equally happy. I find it hard to square giving one a multi million pound asset as reward for driving my tractor, while expecting another to fend for themselves.

Well how about paying the one who drives the tractor a respectable amount, and letting them save up to buy the farm off the siblings? The money doesn't need to leave the farm, but the accountant would need to help set it up.

If they really do want to graft a lifetime to get the assets, then just do it properly. They can buy off you and free you from the asset over time, which should surely avoid it going in care home costs too.
 

primmiemoo

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Location
Devon
It would be interesting to hear it from the other siblings. ..probably a completely different take on the same situation

Sympathies to the Poster, though, and hopes that the hurt subsides.

I took some of my aged p's paperwork to a particular dept at a high street bank earlier in the year.
The member of staff told me they'd had to overcome several traumatic experiences involving farming customers falling out - sometimes in the consulting room in the bank.
Poor youngster had turned very pale indeed at the beginning, when I said the matter partly involved a family farm.
 

worker

Member
Sympathies to the Poster, though, and hopes that the hurt subsides.

I took some of my aged p's paperwork to a particular dept at a high street bank earlier in the year.
The member of staff told me they'd had to overcome several traumatic experiences involving farming customers falling out - sometimes in the consulting room in the bank.
Poor youngster had turned very pale indeed at the beginning, when I said the matter partly involved a family farm.
Yes a lot of needless hurt all around, something we should all bear in mind when thinking of our own children. I have told mind everything should be valued and split absolutely equally. I have no favourites.
 

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
Every situation is different, its why its so hard to sort out. I do think parents should be allowed to do whatever they want regarding who gets what, if anything.
I think arguments start because siblings are treated differently, especially daughters and often there's no real succession plan put in place early on.
Could all of your siblings have stayed on farm if they wanted? Could you have gone to university?
I don't believe that just because someone stays at home and works on their parents farm that they should automatically be handed everything. In my opinion at 16 staying at home and 'working for dad' is the easy option and shouldn't be considered some huge sacrifice.
Maybe a better solution is for all siblings to go off and make their own way then all get together to discuss succession whenever the parents are ready to step aside.
I think its sad that families fall out over who owns a bit of dirt and sadder still that they cant all get together and talk about it.
Sure i could have gone to uni i just didnt want to so instead i spent a year in england working for my fathers cousin who was and still is very big in construction .
Laying pipe and cable for BT and paid by the metre gave huge wages 800 quid some weeks.One of the best years of my life but i still wanted to farm so my father ordered me home.
Now the man my father employed was paid the proper Ag Board wage at the end of the first week even though i worked more hours i was handed 40 quid told there was plenty of diesel in the jeep and i could get fags on his slate at the local. I drank plenty on his slate too!!
The college goers were always studying and socialising no grading spuds half the night for them.After 5 oddyears of this both me and my other brother were given more responsibility including names on the cheque book as the old fella reckoned we had paid our dues.
He never made any bones about his intentions frequently complaining to my mother about his more spendthrift offspring and saying he didnt kill himself working to pay for land so it could be sold to go on furrin holidays
The celtic tiger era just before he died was a sore point as every Sunday he would have to listen to bulls**t about site values and selling road frontage. This to a man who wouldnt give a square inch of land for a site to his daughters as it would ruin a field. He gave them deposit for a house in the city instead. Maybe im turning into him and should lighten up!!!!!
 

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
It would be interesting to hear it from the other siblings. ..probably a completely different take on the same situation
If its my crowd youre talking about the surely would have a different story how the managed to lose a small fortune on Spanish and bulgarian property invesrments not to mention bank shares bought with money boreowed against houses which were part bought for them with farm money which the farm had to pay for.
But never mind the have wellpaid 100k plus jobs to sort out the mess like adults not running down the man who gave them the best start in life
 

Hampton

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BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Does anybody on family farms get a salary though? Dad used to draw a few hundred a month for housekeeping and paid the utility bills out of the farm account. He allowed himself £20 a month pocket money. Any spare money, not that there is much of it, stayed in the farm as it does now. The lifestyle counts for something and the generally lower living expenses. When I first went away to work most of my salary went on rent. I don't think urban man is left with that much either at the end of the month. His living expenses are generally higher and unavoidable.

The main thing though is to make sure you are working towards something and never take anything for granted. Always best to have a plan B as well, in case the rug gets pulled.
I do. We are limited so any land really needs to be bought in my name rather than limited company. Therefore I need money out of the farm to do that.
Can’t see the point of leaving all money in the business and living like a big issue salesman.
 

Cowcorn

Member
Mixed Farmer
How come everyone with a farming background, but not wanting to farm, automatically gets a £100K+ a year job? :scratchhead:
Or is there a little bit of exaggeration going on? :whistle:
No exaggeration bros went to uni for 8 years masters degree un grad etc works for big pharm company other brother electronics high up very clever brainy guys not an ounce of common sense between them.
The also think that the couldnt be wrong.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I do. We are limited so any land really needs to be bought in my name rather than limited company. Therefore I need money out of the farm to do that.
Can’t see the point of leaving all money in the business and living like a big issue salesman.

Or just transfer the Ltd Co shares to the workers on an annual basis, based on some formula around effort spent? Speak to an accountant, but that would be my plan. No need to cause any cash flow problems to the company.
 

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