dontknowanything
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Can't argue with first hand experience, thanks for the input
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SilliamWhale
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I think I won't rant today.
But there is a lot of gear that gets promoted as new or innovative and its not.
dontknowanything
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Well maybe, but I was never under the impression this particular bit of kit was particularly innovative.
Was looking forward to the rant
dontknowanything
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he's got plenty of space to hide it, 6000ha in czech republic alone, plus more in germany...
to be fair, he was relatively positive about DD, especially when combined with cover crops
SilliamWhale
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Well maybe, but I was never under the impression this particular bit of kit was particularly innovative.
Was looking forward to the rant
I'm sure I'll gee myself up sometime..
some more caught my eyes when I looked up the Horsch page:
http://www.horsch2.com/en/products/seeding-technology/disc-seed-drills/pronto-nt/
go to Equipment
what is the most important part of a drill? the seeding boot or disc, or?
It's at the bottom of the page.
Did you see how the depth adjustment is done? wonder if they have to adjust it on each press wheel, as this seems to me the only place where it could be done.
Unfortunately they don't give some info on how this is done. Only info I found so far was on the depth adjustment on the coulter.
Anyway, you will just need to wait till M.H. is "inventing" the perfect No Till seeder and present it at Agritechnica. If not this year certainly it will be in 2015.
By the way, if you visit Dwayne Becks farm you will find some drill which might look very similar to the one which will be shown. 4 Prototypes are in use, one in the east, one in south Africa, one on M.H. farm.
York-Th.
http://www.horsch2.com/en/products/seeding-technology/disc-seed-drills/pronto-nt/
go to Equipment
what is the most important part of a drill? the seeding boot or disc, or?
It's at the bottom of the page.
Did you see how the depth adjustment is done? wonder if they have to adjust it on each press wheel, as this seems to me the only place where it could be done.
Unfortunately they don't give some info on how this is done. Only info I found so far was on the depth adjustment on the coulter.
Anyway, you will just need to wait till M.H. is "inventing" the perfect No Till seeder and present it at Agritechnica. If not this year certainly it will be in 2015.
By the way, if you visit Dwayne Becks farm you will find some drill which might look very similar to the one which will be shown. 4 Prototypes are in use, one in the east, one in south Africa, one on M.H. farm.
York-Th.
Steevo
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I always thought that M.H couldn't see a future for no-till - that's the impression I'd got from the old BFF.
he is going down the CTF route on the new farm which he got last year, besides producing apple sauce.
Don't be surprised if they have all the drills they can find and study them.And it's not about coping but to find infringements of own patents which can earn more money than selling machinery.
All are doing it. So that is not a big thing for them. And even more they have their mates which are more keen than anything to relate to them their own experiences first hand.
York-Th.
dontknowanything
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dontknowanything
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He certainly feels he will make more money with tillage, most of the time. He also admitted that DDing WW after OSR, peas or beans can be a good idea.
dontknowanything
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I can't tell if you are being serious? You do think this new drill of theirs is good?
Kaad
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You adjust the depth of seed placement by adding or removing spacer blocks on the lifting cylinders. It's a very simple system which IMO works fine.. The drill comes with a lot of different block sizes colored in red, blue and yellow (I reckon) which makes it easy to adjust..
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- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
Fully loaded we are running the Kuhn at 275 kgs/coulter and that is not enough on some of "worst" land. Heavy land is not a problem its the silty/stoney/clays that test the drill...On bare soil we are in about an inch(25mm) but where we have straw and chaff trails (still like mud) we are in 2 inches..plus (50-60mm) ..Where we raked it is not a problem as all the residue is evenly spread and there is just a little bit of surface weathering to allow the drill to work well..I am coming to the conclusion that unless you are on good free-draining soils if you are planning to "spring-crop"... in the late Autumn you need to move the surface just so you get a bit of weathered soil to drill into and you need to apply glyphosate before the end of the year and again about three weeks before drilling....and if your crops (beans) are slow to emerge another application pre-em will clear up most of your weed problem...
This statement will probably have me thrown out of BASE-UK..but it is the sort of thing we need to discuss...
Fully loaded we are running the Kuhn at 275 kgs/coulter and that is not enough on some of "worst" land. Heavy land is not a problem its the silty/stoney/clays that test the drill...On bare soil we are in about an inch(25mm) but where we have straw and chaff trails (still like mud) we are in 2 inches..plus (50-60mm) ..Where we raked it is not a problem as all the residue is evenly spread and there is just a little bit of surface weathering to allow the drill to work well..I am coming to the conclusion that unless you are on good free-draining soils if you are planning to "spring-crop"... in the late Autumn you need to move the surface just so you get a bit of weathered soil to drill into and you need to apply glyphosate before the end of the year and again about three weeks before drilling....and if your crops (beans) are slow to emerge another application pre-em will clear up most of your weed problem...
This statement will probably have me thrown out of BASE-UK..but it is the sort of thing we need to discuss...
Most of my spring drilling has been lightly (2-3") cultivated Jim. Land was just too rough to leave so needed some levelling and I also thought it might kill a few slugs and warm soils faster. I guess it has also helped the drill as it made a nice surface tilth to drill into
I think straw and chaff spread is critical in dd, if its not right everything else is much harder
I don't think a carrier is very expensive to run in these situations. It does a lot more than a rake and not that much greater cost or slow work rate, we seem to have been able to wiz over 150ac in a day where it was needed without disturbing soil structure any deeper than 3" max
I feel I should also be banned from BASE for using it though ! Far to many brown fields around here for my liking !
I guess things are a bit easier here in the East...all our spring drilling has gone in really well with the 750a direct into both bare land behind failed wheat/osr, as well as burned off cover crop. The bare ground drilling come up faster as the soil was warmer, if it had been any wetter we'd have struggled a bit behind the cover crop perhaps, but I remain happy that we didn't move any ground, especially if we get a dry spell now, all the roots are in moisture so nothing should stop them growing.
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Well, I'm not sure about this. I will be in a better position to comment in a week or so, but I have a mix of fields that I have DD'd barley into some of which have had bits run over with a carrier and some with grass sprayed off and some where cattle churned up the surface before Christmas whilst grazing forage rape. The barley is just sticking its head up now, an initial impression is that there is no advantage where the carrier has been. ( In fact, I have a couple of fields that I ploughed that the carrier went over the headland on and when it rained shortly afterwards the carrier area was very obvious. because it glistened where the soil structure had been damaged.)
We gave up the carrier when we started DD . It overworks the surface and makes it vunerable to rainfall. IMO. Jim/ Clive , how long since you ploughed/shakerated your difficult fields ?? I think the transition on difficult land can be 6-7years !! We have been through the pain!! GOOD on the other side , though.
I'm aware of this system and it was mentioned for the coulters, not for the double disc seeding.
So how on earth you want to change the depth on the double disc seeding with clips?
I mean, this can be done but look at the geometrics = ability to contour following.
What I refer to is the geometric distance of the front linkage, where the "clip" is working on and the closing wheel and in between the double disc seeding.
York-Th.
I'm seldom not serious. Peple call me also a person with hardly any personal feelings & humor.....
I'm not commenting on this design just pointing out that there is one and where to look and make up your own mind.
For the majority of farmers it's not a topic anyway, if M.H. is having a NT drill or not. they will follow what he is offering them. It's sort of a "camp" situation. There are differant camps, like the Vädi, Horsch, Köckerling, Amazone, Simba.... camp.
And to finish a little philosophical: There are many different nice girls to find personal well being. sorry, the quote is a little "rough".
York-Th.