%protein and fat versus kg fat and protein

Discussion in 'Dairy Farming' started by boumaticboy, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:44 AM.

  1. boumaticboy

    boumaticboy New Member

    trying to pick bulls for starting to AI with. usually use a stock bull so im a bit lost. would like to improve components. do i look for a high kg of combined fat and protein or high % ? am currently a simple 8500l 4.12 f and 3.23 p. 2 ton in and out of parlour feeding blocks silage EOD. am supplying Dale farm NI so am paid more for litres at the min but think that will be changing in the next few years and want to be ready.
     
  2. Rossymons

    Rossymons Member

    Location:
    Cornwall
    I usually go on %s myself as thats how i'm paid - a certain amount for every 1% of butterfat and a different amount for 1% protein.
     
  3. dairyrow

    dairyrow Member

    With yields like that I'd go for kg. Easy to get high % on lower yields. Had this discussion last year
     
  4. Princess Pooper

    Location:
    East Mids
    We are similar yield, we are paid on % bf and protein, we always breed for % on the basis it's easier to tweak feed if you want to push the litres up but there are limits to how you can feed for % if the genetics aren't there.
     
  5. Crusty

    Crusty Member

    We use bulls over 500kgs of milk with 50kgs of combined fat and protein and positive fat and protein %. Never taken to much notice of % as long as it's positive as we're paid on kgs solids but learnt the other week % have very high heritability so will be aiming to use as high % as possible in the future
     
  6. buffalo_soldier

    Location:
    cumbria
    Over 350 kgs of milk and as high a positive %age I can get is where I start looking.

    From there I narrow it down via management traits and then conformation. (I'm somewhat typey in my likes).

    Huk do a good bull selector, may be worth having a play with.

    http://ukcows.com/bullselector/
     
  7. EX95

    EX95 New Member

    Location:
    mid ulster
  8. AndooMooMoo

    AndooMooMoo Member

    Location:
    Co Down, N.Ireland
    We're a similar yield and performance, supplying Dale Farm too. We pretty much ignore milk and just select on components, health traits and the type of linear we like. For example, this years milking heifers are mostly by Omen and Irresistable who are low milk and high compenents. There's plenty enough milk in them to make 9000 litre plus cows. What's the breeding of the stock Bulls you've been using?
     
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  9. More to life

    More to life Member

    Location:
    Somerset
    Make life simple set a buget and buy the highest pli bulls available it's a good index for solids production
     
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  10. dairyrow

    dairyrow Member

    Are these cows going to last on an autumn grass based system walking grazing tracks all summer?
     
  11. Princess Pooper

    Location:
    East Mids
    why shouldn't they as long as tracks are up to standard? Cows that give more than 7000kg can still walk!
     
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  12. Holsteinfriesian90

    Location:
    Cornwall
    Everyone has such different views on what's Bulls to use. Every farm is different. Imo the pli index favours narrow Bulls which we here don't like but I know other farmers don't mind them. Pick what suit your farm and system.
     
  13. boumaticboy

    boumaticboy New Member

    have used blended bulls with some friesian breeding in them from inch herd. have used some pure friesian which has helped to bring size down. am looking for a smaller tight cow which is easy kept. more recently bulls like kodak out of a roumerecow.emerald out of oman cow-he grew too tall for my liking, have an nice patrol bull to put to heifers this year.
     
  14. Clay52

    Clay52 Member

    Location:
    Outer Space
    I’ve always looked at both. I want high % but won’t select massively low milk bulls to get it.

    I’ve always selected on many other traits as well as production. Health traits have been my main focus.
     
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  15. AndooMooMoo

    AndooMooMoo Member

    Location:
    Co Down, N.Ireland
    We have a similar philosophy, half of our young stock are sired by Hilton and about 2/3 of the semen in the flask is Chad. We'll then serve these back to Holstein again with the overall aim of producing a slightly shorter, wider, more robust animal which can still milk well. That's the theory anyway!
     
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  16. The Agrarian

    The Agrarian Member

    Location:
    Co Antrim
    Also DF producer. Currently in the tank with components in mind are two fleckvieh bulls, one montbeliarde, one brown Swiss and one Danish red. I don't mind a bit of size as long as they can handle themselves well in cubicles, which these breeds are generally fine for. It only seems to cause some Holsteins a problem.
     
  17. AndooMooMoo

    AndooMooMoo Member

    Location:
    Co Down, N.Ireland
    Are you milking any Fleckvieh, and if so, how do you find them? They intrigue me, but I hear as many bad things about them as I do good things.
     
  18. Clay52

    Clay52 Member

    Location:
    Outer Space
    Not fleck but I’m milking Monty’s. Nothing too much to report about them. Fertility a little better than Holstein’s, production lower. Overall not really a gain or a loss. Not using any more because I have excess animals to sell and no one wants to milk white headed dairy cows.
     
  19. Headless chicken

    Location:
    West Wales
    I milk flecks and am serving everything to fleckvieh again this year with the exception of 20 straws of monty. There is big variation in the breed but I find them a really brilliant animal
     
  20. AndooMooMoo

    AndooMooMoo Member

    Location:
    Co Down, N.Ireland
    What makes them so brilliant? I'm Holstein, but have used a fair bit of Freisan semen in the last few years. I'm happy with our production and fertility but I'm looking to make our cows more robust, with better feet and improve component %. I think I'll struggle making big improvements with robustness and feet if sticking to pure Holstein breeding.
     
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