All ignition keys should be on the left hand side of the dash on all makes so if any thing does go wrong the key can be easily found by anyone. It amazes me that H&S feel the need to have a key to open the bonnet and width markers that restrict vision but the ignition key can be anywhere.
PTO shaft safety project
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seedman stains
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- lost in france
And when a manufacturer decides to move the key to another place after years in the same place FFS
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- Yorkshire coast
Aye, it was spaldings. Grandfather bought one, still have it somewhere, never used it!...
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- Montgomeryshire
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- Yorkshire coast
Possibly! Cos it definitely not a farmer friendly design with all the bits...Was he expecting a visit from HSE and wanted to impress by having one in the workshop?
Jd Everytime
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- lanarkshire scotland
Yes. I've noticed that. Working with grain augers and baggers pto spinning away with no guards on when there working very close by! ScarySlightly off topic, but has anyone noticed that the Americans on YouTube rarely seem to have any guards fitted at all !!
Some new machinery has the chain less guards, with well thought out lubrication points, liking them so far.
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Will Blackburn
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- Cheshire
I have had a new shaft on order for weeks now, this could be an issue with regards to potentially unsafe where parts/replacements are slow/not available.
HolzKopf
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- Kent&Snuffit
No one's mentioned the perils of cutting down pto shafts and guards yet. We used to supply kit where often the shortest pto would need cutting. Often we landed up sending someone out foc as our conscience couldn't live with inexperienced users trying to measure and cut, de burr etc and having the right overlap at the end of it. I've seen so much kit with random pto shafts fitted that aren't fit for purpose length wise or have been swapped.
Coming apart when the linkage is lowered is a common one, as is it 'bottoming out' when the linkage is raised to the horizontal. Guards being cut too is a problem as well as all the other issues that have been flagged; skinned knuckles, difficult access, sh*t chains, plastic eyelets
Twas ever thus though......
Walterscheid and Bare-Co have both tried but the average parts replacement companies sell turkish or italian and that's what so many people buy if they have a knackered or lost one
Coming apart when the linkage is lowered is a common one, as is it 'bottoming out' when the linkage is raised to the horizontal. Guards being cut too is a problem as well as all the other issues that have been flagged; skinned knuckles, difficult access, sh*t chains, plastic eyelets
Twas ever thus though......
Walterscheid and Bare-Co have both tried but the average parts replacement companies sell turkish or italian and that's what so many people buy if they have a knackered or lost one
EmmaBD
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Do you think having a kit to properly fit PTO shafts would help?
Or even an easily adjustable guard or similar?
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- DD9.
If the manufacturers would stick to standardised sizes of guards, it would make it so much easier than fannying about where you buy a replacement guard and the bearing rings don’t fit the groove on the casting.
Getting the right sized Pto guards can be a complete nightmare, I’ve seen me give up and just buy a whole new unit.
Getting the right sized Pto guards can be a complete nightmare, I’ve seen me give up and just buy a whole new unit.
farmerm
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- Shropshire
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b) diligence of operator
Access to grease nipples is my big bear with them but that also applies to a lot of grease nipples not on PTO shafts
It depends on a) competence of operator!!
b) diligence of operator
Access to grease nipples is my big bear with them but that also applies to a lot of grease nipples not on PTO shafts
8100
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- South Cheshire
I was watching a youtube vid the other day of some folks filling silos with grain and spotted no guards on the pto at all ! .The pto shaft looked about shot too ready to break and drag someone in ..
I would like to invest in something like this if it could be made at a reasonable cost, much safer. And more integrated into the tractor.
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Austrian farmer invents auto quick-hitch - Farmers Weekly
An Austrian farmer believes he has solved the problem of how to make a three-point linkage quick-hitch that not only allows operators to attach the
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Netherfield
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- West Yorkshire
That and the one at the side of it are now from an article 9 years ago and we're still no further forward with it.I would like to invest in something like this if it could be made at a reasonable cost, much safer. And more integrated into the tractor.
Austrian farmer invents auto quick-hitch - Farmers Weekly
An Austrian farmer believes he has solved the problem of how to make a three-point linkage quick-hitch that not only allows operators to attach the
It still needs manufacturers to get their heads together and work on a universal system, Fat chance of that happening without legislation.
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- The moon
It amazes me how many incompetent sales men set demos off with ptos at clashing angles or allow the machine to be dropped on it.
Issue is the farmer doesn’t know any the wiser. The blind leading the blind with some machinery.
Issue is the farmer doesn’t know any the wiser. The blind leading the blind with some machinery.
Probably a breach of their Constitutional rights or something...Slightly off topic, but has anyone noticed that the Americans on YouTube rarely seem to have any guards fitted at all !!
ollie989898
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If I was designing a PTO guard, I would design one that has decent safety chains and strong attachment points for chains and which allows easy access to any grease nipples on the yokes either end.
I would also include a way of opening the guard to lubricate the shaft more readily also. Time and time again you find even brand new shafts are an absolute devil to unclip or fudge about when trying to reach lubrication points.
The material used for many guards is also too brittle I think. It would be better to have a slightly thicker and more flexible kind of plastic used that would resist knocks or being dropped etc more readily.
I would also include a way of opening the guard to lubricate the shaft more readily also. Time and time again you find even brand new shafts are an absolute devil to unclip or fudge about when trying to reach lubrication points.
The material used for many guards is also too brittle I think. It would be better to have a slightly thicker and more flexible kind of plastic used that would resist knocks or being dropped etc more readily.
ollie989898
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I don't attach shafts when the tractor is off and it makes me cringe just thinking about attaching one with the engine running.
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What's all this talk about 'new'? For some of us it's a mythical notion.
The majority of equipment on UK farms is not bought new, simple maths from the fact most machines are traded multiple times in their lives. This means that any solution that can't be retrofitted can only address the issue for a minority of current machinery.
I like the idea of electric or hydraulic drive but:
- it would take time to filter down to all UK machinery (for same reason given above)
- many farms still run smaller tractors despite all the chat about 2, 3 and, 400hp machines. Hydraulic drives are very inefficient. When you only start with 70hp or less at the pto then, for many machines, hydraulic drive isn't an option.
I do like the easy removal of the BareCo design. It should be standard imho. I also like the idea of a kill switch outside the cab to make cutting the engine after hitching link arms (which needs the engine running for the external adjusters to work) easy. A cheap retrofit kit for this could readily be made but each manufacturer would need to provide custom details how to fit it on anything with CanBus control.
The majority of equipment on UK farms is not bought new, simple maths from the fact most machines are traded multiple times in their lives. This means that any solution that can't be retrofitted can only address the issue for a minority of current machinery.
I like the idea of electric or hydraulic drive but:
- it would take time to filter down to all UK machinery (for same reason given above)
- many farms still run smaller tractors despite all the chat about 2, 3 and, 400hp machines. Hydraulic drives are very inefficient. When you only start with 70hp or less at the pto then, for many machines, hydraulic drive isn't an option.
I do like the easy removal of the BareCo design. It should be standard imho. I also like the idea of a kill switch outside the cab to make cutting the engine after hitching link arms (which needs the engine running for the external adjusters to work) easy. A cheap retrofit kit for this could readily be made but each manufacturer would need to provide custom details how to fit it on anything with CanBus control.