Puma 220 CVX or JD 215 auto power which is best

[Chae1]

There is still fudge all space in an R series cab. Please would the JD brigade tell me where they put their lunchbox/bag? There is fudge all space on the 'floor' to the left or right of the seat and zero space behind it. That leaves either side of the pedals against the windscreen which is clearly less than ideal. So you're stuck basically perching it on the passenger seat (which actually looks like a passenger seat these days mind, so an improvement of sorts).

I agree the JD controls (at least the autopowr/command arm thing) is spot on and the suspension combination is pretty spot on but I'm still gonna have to have to hand operator comfort and best cab in class award to Valtra I'm afraid. Haven't driven a Case CVX for so long can't remember the cab layout, recent New Hollands were ok, airy and bright with some space around the seat but I'm not having to push the seat back miles, I tend to sit forward a fair way and over the pedals for some reason.

Done many hours on a r series John deere?

 

[marco]

Done many hours on a r series John deere?

Probably f**k all

 

[ollie989898]

Done many hours on a r series John deere?

I think about 100 or so. Of course, you clearly need 10,000 hours to be able to spot all the space in the cab?

 

[Chae1]

I think about 100 or so. Of course, you clearly need 10,000 hours to be able to spot all the space in the cab?

You've done more than me then.

Just had a demo for a day once and ploughed with it.

 

[ollie989898]

You've done more than me then.

Just had a demo for a day once and ploughed with it.

I've spent at most 10 days in one. 3 of them were just last week. It confirmed my thoughts that the autopowr transmission is the only one worth having. The autoquad/crowbar shift thing should have been taken out back and shot in about 2010 at the latest, that dual clutch thing was an abomination and there really is no need for anything else besides the autopowr one.

 

[Chae1]

I've spent at most 10 days in one. 3 of them were just last week. It confirmed my thoughts that the autopowr transmission is the only one worth having. The autoquad/crowbar shift thing should have been taken out back and shot in about 2010 at the latest, that dual clutch thing was an abomination and there really is no need for anything else besides the autopowr one.

One I had a shot of was Direct drive. Wasn't very impressed with it.

Bought another CNH.

 

[Runs Like a Deere]

There is still fudge all space in an R series cab. Please would the JD brigade tell me where they put their lunchbox/bag? There is fudge all space on the 'floor' to the left or right of the seat and zero space behind it. That leaves either side of the pedals against the windscreen which is clearly less than ideal. So you're stuck basically perching it on the passenger seat (which actually looks like a passenger seat these days mind, so an improvement of sorts).

I agree the JD controls (at least the autopowr/command arm thing) is spot on and the suspension combination is pretty spot on but I'm still gonna have to have to hand operator comfort and best cab in class award to Valtra I'm afraid. Haven't driven a Case CVX for so long can't remember the cab layout, recent New Hollands were ok, airy and bright with some space around the seat but I'm not having to push the seat back miles, I tend to sit forward a fair way and over the pedals for some reason.

I also put my lunch in the fridge, maybe smaller lunches are the solution if the fridge isn't big enough??

 

[DrDunc]

I also put my lunch in the fridge, maybe smaller lunches are the solution if the fridge isn't big enough??

No no no......!!!!!

Deere designed the cab space and fridge storage based upon operators eating at the farms staff canteen

Gives the farm mechanics time to refuel and grease the buggers ready for the afternoon

 

[warksfarmer]

Looking for opinions which would be the best puma slightly more hours jd slightly less but 2 years older both around 4000 hrs Thanks

If buying used the cvx is safest as it’s half the price of JD for a gearbox repair.

 

[Wreckit Ralf]

Currently got a New Holland Autocommand but looking at a John Deere 155R Autopower - older style armrest (non command pro version) and one thing I like about the CNH Autocommand is the "anti jacknife " feauture where you hold down the button, push the brake peddle so it only activates the trailer brakes to slow it down on hills.
Does the JD Autopower have something similar? Not really had much experience driving them.
Because from memory CNH is the only vario that has something like this. Never understood why, because from experience it's a very useful feature.

 

[DrDunc]

Currently got a New Holland Autocommand but looking at a John Deere 155R Autopower - older style armrest (non command pro version) and one thing I like about the CNH Autocommand is the "anti jacknife " feauture where you hold down the button, push the brake peddle so it only activates the trailer brakes to slow it down on hills.
Does the JD Autopower have something similar? Not really had much experience driving them.
Because from memory CNH is the only vario that has something like this. Never understood why, because from experience it's a very useful feature.

CNH have the feature because when all other manufacturers fit brakes fit for purpose, CNH have a single disc made from monkey metal that wears out faster than a politicians promise

Pressing the "anti jackknife" feature stops the CNH brakes disintegrating daily

Other manufacturers just set the trailer brake valve to come on at a lower pressure than the tractor ones for the same result

 

[KB6930]

Currently got a New Holland Autocommand but looking at a John Deere 155R Autopower - older style armrest (non command pro version) and one thing I like about the CNH Autocommand is the "anti jacknife " feauture where you hold down the button, push the brake peddle so it only activates the trailer brakes to slow it down on hills.
Does the JD Autopower have something similar? Not really had much experience driving them.
Because from memory CNH is the only vario that has something like this. Never understood why, because from experience it's a very useful feature.

You don't need it as the autopower will run on it won't lock the wheels like other vario tractors . Best way to describe it is like driving a geared tractor but you've got infinite speed variation.

I've a fastrac and it's downright dangerous on a wet slope as it'll lock the wheels trying to slow down I'll take my jd for any trailer work on a hill

 

[Sheep]

Yes totally agree with you there. Cnh defiantly went backwards when they made the current cab. If a change is coming then I hope they don’t go a step backwards again.

Depends wether the bloke designing the thing has ever actually driven a tractor out of a T junction with a GPS screen and baler box bolted in the cab.

and needs somewhere to store a pen, a tape measure some paperwork a phone a few other bits and bobs and a drinks holder thats useable when a passenger is in the cab….

The new cab is a huge improvement, cool box, space and lots of storage. Looking forward to seeing it on the shorter wheelbases, the new screen is a bit of a pain though, I hope they offer a basic armrest along with it, but I suspect they won't. Felt like a big (and cramped) step backwards going back to the current cab.

I never really got on with the R series cab after spending 200+ hrs in one, I even preferred the 30 series even though it was cramped, maybe I'm odd.

 

[Chips]

You don't need it as the autopower will run on it won't lock the wheels like other vario tractors . Best way to describe it is like driving a geared tractor but you've got infinite speed variation.

I've a fastrac and it's downright dangerous on a wet slope as it'll lock the wheels trying to slow down I'll take my jd for any trailer work on a hill

Felt similar when I drove a Massey vario, it is just no where near as smooth side loading as autopower , which I could imagine would be dangerous on greasy banks

 

[Wreckit Ralf]

You don't need it as the autopower will run on it won't lock the wheels like other vario tractors . Best way to describe it is like driving a geared tractor but you've got infinite speed variation.

I've a fastrac and it's downright dangerous on a wet slope as it'll lock the wheels trying to slow down I'll take my jd for any trailer work on a hill

So the Deere won’t come to a stand still until I press the brakes?
Surprised about the Fastrac, thought they’d be a very safe tractor for hill work. Had a couple of “ uh oh “ moments on hills with the Autocommand where I’ve not used the anti jackknife, went to slow down, wheels lock up and away it goes Not nice!

 

[KB6930]

So the Deere won’t come to a stand still until I press the brakes?
Surprised about the Fastrac, thought they’d be a very safe tractor for hill work. Had a couple of “ uh oh “ moments on hills with the Autocommand where I’ve not used the anti jackknife, went to slow down, wheels lock up and away it goes Not nice!

Yes exactly this . It'll always creep along even you lift your foot which people moan about but it's way better because it won't bring you to a standstill like all other vario tractors that I'm aware of.

Baleing silage can be interesting on a hill even mowing if I slow down to quick with the fastrac It'll start sliding on our steep bits . I've ran Autopower since 09 and can't wait until i get back on 1 all the time

 

[KB6930]

So the Deere won’t come to a stand still until I press the brakes?
Surprised about the Fastrac, thought they’d be a very safe tractor for hill work. Had a couple of “ uh oh “ moments on hills with the Autocommand where I’ve not used the anti jackknife, went to slow down, wheels lock up and away it goes Not nice!

Just thinking it might try to lock the wheels if you yank the stick back too fast but that's not the way to drive it and I still can't think of any occasion that it's happened with me while on a steep hill slowing down with the stick while on pto wirk

 

[Chae1]

CNH have the feature because when all other manufacturers fit brakes fit for purpose, CNH have a single disc made from monkey metal that wears out faster than a politicians promise

Pressing the "anti jackknife" feature stops the CNH brakes disintegrating daily

Other manufacturers just set the trailer brake valve to come on at a lower pressure than the tractor ones for the same result

I'd say that's slightly unfair. We run 4 CNH tractors and brakes not been a big issue. 1 did have brakes done in springtime but that was a combination of driver and hydraulic trailer brakes.

How many CNH tractors do you run?

 

[DrDunc]

I'd say that's slightly unfair. We run 4 CNH tractors and brakes not been a big issue. 1 did have brakes done in springtime but that was a combination of driver and hydraulic trailer brakes.

How many CNH tractors do you run?

Don't run any CNH: The cab layout and controls drives me nuts for a start......

Why put the PTO switch where you accidentally knock it adjusting lift arm height? Why fit electric spool switches that are so stiff they need moved with a hammer and chisel? Why design a blister pad of identical toggle switches that needs you to look at the thing to find the correct tiny little button to engage 4wd when you're actively getting stuck in the mud?

Why design a joystick that needs moved further than a gypsy moonlight flit before he does anything? Why also have identical buttons for speed change and direction change, and put them next to each other? So instead of slowing down, you fire off backwards at 1000mph??

Why does the front windscreen wiper need to clear such a tiny bit of the screen? Why put the heater controls where you need visit a chiropractor after every time you twist round far enough to reach the buggers?

Why have the the armrest position adjustable between uncomfortable or downright torture? Why have the steering wheel adjustment so it's every so slightly too far away, or just close enough that the bolts on the (owner added) suicide knob tear big enough chunks of skin from your knees that you need stitches?

Why, oh why, and on what planet, did anybody think it a good idea to have a shuttle lever that sits in the neutral position for both forward and reverse, and needs a button pressed to stop it moving????

Why fit front suspension that only absorbs any bumps when there's an extra 27 tonnes of front ballast added? Especially when your back is in spasm after slipping on the tiny uneven spaced cabin steps you've to climb your way up when getting into the thing?

Why can't they fit a grease nipple to the propshaft bearing that they know fails spectacularly at high speed, unless they want to retain the Olympic pole vaulting record when the front of the prop falls off and digs into the tarmac at 50kph?

Why fit a Vario gearbox THAT LOCKS UP downhill when laden? Next door neighbours t7.210 got very exciting several times with a dump trailer, the skidmarks in the field were nearly as big as the ones on the seat.

The ludicrously under sized brakes, awful lift arm geometry, enormous angle changes PTO shafts have to endure, and tiny external oil capacity are the least of the problems with them!!!!

So, to reiterate, I don't run any CNH tractors. However, those few "small grumbles" aside, the engines do get a good write up ......

 

[Drillman]

Don't run any CNH: The cab layout and controls drives me nuts for a start......

Why put the PTO switch where you accidentally knock it adjusting lift arm height? Why fit electric spool switches that are so stiff they need moved with a hammer and chisel? Why design a blister pad of identical toggle switches that needs you to look at the thing to find the correct tiny little button to engage 4wd when you're actively getting stuck in the mud?

Why design a joystick that needs moved further than a gypsy moonlight flit before he does anything? Why also have identical buttons for speed change and direction change, and put them next to each other? So instead of slowing down, you fire off backwards at 1000mph??

Why does the front windscreen wiper need to clear such a tiny bit of the screen? Why put the heater controls where you need visit a chiropractor after every time you twist round far enough to reach the buggers?

Why have the the armrest position adjustable between uncomfortable or downright torture? Why have the steering wheel adjustment so it's every so slightly too far away, or just close enough that the bolts on the (owner added) suicide knob tear big enough chunks of skin from your knees that you need stitches?

Why, oh why, and on what planet, did anybody think it a good idea to have a shuttle lever that sits in the neutral position for both forward and reverse, and needs a button pressed to stop it moving????

Why fit front suspension that only absorbs any bumps when there's an extra 27 tonnes of front ballast added? Especially when your back is in spasm after slipping on the tiny uneven spaced cabin steps you've to climb your way up when getting into the thing?

Why can't they fit a grease nipple to the propshaft bearing that they know fails spectacularly at high speed, unless they want to retain the Olympic pole vaulting record when the front of the prop falls off and digs into the tarmac at 50kph?

Why fit a Vario gearbox THAT LOCKS UP downhill when laden? Next door neighbours t7.210 got very exciting several times with a dump trailer, the skidmarks in the field were nearly as big as the ones on the seat.

The ludicrously under sized brakes, awful lift arm geometry, enormous angle changes PTO shafts have to endure, and tiny external oil capacity are the least of the problems with them!!!!

So, to reiterate, I don't run any CNH tractors. However, those few "small grumbles" aside, the engines do get a good write up ......

Well I own CNH tractors and don’t seem to have any of the above issues.

i will admit in cab storage is on the crap side of useless but everything else is perfectly acceptable and the sales volumes compared to other brands seem to back my thinking up.

Sounds like your issues stem from the connection between seat and steering wheel