Similar to the pushing the limits of the OSR thread, I'm after some thoughts of: a) getting the barley to make a massive heap of grain and b) staying stood up to be combined. Had agronomist round today who is sure we can get it to yield like wheat. Previously, have had very variable yields from the great 4t/ac (2012, Kassia) to more like 2t/ac (2010, Carat). 3t/ac seems the local average, but I think we can get plenty more than that if only we can keep it stood. The Syngenta Cashback Yield Guarentee protocol looks like a pretty good starting point: a) First N at GS25, or 60% total N by GS31 b) Good slosh of Moddus c) Apply a SDHI fungicide d) Get plenty of tillers. NMAX for a 10t/ha crop as a 2nd cereal is something like 240kg/ha. Surely one dollop of Moddus wont keep that stood if we are trying to make it tiller? It has been sugested to use a 40/40/20 split for fert, and not to use urea on our generally slow and cold clays. Reading around, the view seems to be that you can't polish a shyte, and that thin and yellow winter barley is not going to perform. So get it thick and keep it stood. But also that Proline is the fungicide of choice, and its all about the tillers. So is a tenner more on nitrogen now going to pay better than a tenner on fungicide on a thin crop later? Answers on a postcard please.....but it is already starting to grow!