Put a value on this FYM please?

[SilliamWhale]

Strawy outdoor chicken muck.

Per ton averages are:

11kg N
12kg P
7kg K
4kg Mg
5kg S
Ca 17kg

and a pH of 7.8.

I'm trying to decide whether it is of value to cart this 12 miles with tractor and trailers (17 tons in a trailer but wet) for about £50 hr versus buying in some lime @ £30 ton, some phosphorous and maintenance K. I use it on one block of land and it is great for crops but not sure on economics of driving it

 

[teslacoils]

£10 a ton delivered. N+p+k multiplied by 40p, less couple of quid for spreading. It's value depends on your view of hassle, OM etc .

 

[Matt]

are you removing your straw from your crops.
its going to feed your soils more than just fibrophos and lime, as you could put just over a load a acre on.
0.12.12 fibro phos to us in 146 spread if memory is right.

 

[7610 super q]

I'd want it free. If you're using contractors to spread it, sorting conco blocks / RSJ's / string and net could get expensive.

 

[david ll]

I'd be more worried about the blackgrass!!

 

[bobk]

I'd want it free. If you're using contractors to spread it, sorting conco blocks / RSJ's / string and net could get expensive.

And dead chickens .

 

[cricketandcrops]

I think I’d ask for a more up to date analysis for a start.....2014? Then can enter in MANNER and work out available nutrients, can then calculate the Nutrient value it deliveries.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'd want it free. If you're using contractors to spread it, sorting conco blocks / RSJ's / string and net could get expensive.

No I am getting it free. I'm figuring if it is worth paying to cart it 12 miles to home so trying to put a value on the nutrient value

 

[SilliamWhale]

£10 a ton delivered. N+p+k multiplied by 40p, less couple of quid for spreading. It's value depends on your view of hassle, OM etc .

I'm not buying it! I'm trying to work out if its worth carting back to me vs a purchase of fibrophos/ lime/ tsp etc.

 

[bobk]

No I am getting it free. I'm figuring if it is worth paying to cart it 12 miles to home so trying to put a value on the nutrient value

You must have a big trailer , our chap couldn't get 9 tons the biggest spreader I've ever seen

 

[SilliamWhale]

You must a big trailer , our chap couldn't get 9 tons the biggest spreader I've ever seen

Fair point. Obvs that will come into the calc too

 

[teslacoils]

I'm not buying it! I'm trying to work out if its worth carting back to me vs a purchase of fibrophos/ lime/ tsp etc.

Yes.

I'd say it was worth ten pounds a ton. If you can go there, get loaded, get back, tip it, clean your trailer etc for 10 a ton then it's worth it.

 

[Hilly]

I'm not buying it! I'm trying to work out if its worth carting back to me vs a purchase of fibrophos/ lime/ tsp etc.

Very much so I’d say, make fibrophos look rubbish .

 

[SilliamWhale]

Very much so I’d say, make fibrophos look rubbish .

I already use it on one block of land and it is great and yield enhancing. My wonder is can I make it worthwhile to cart further. Could end up a decent bill for tractor, trailer and fuel. I have toyed with artic but we reckon probably not worth it unless going further.

Maybe I should use my two 10t trailers find another driver and cart it myself but a tractor, man and trailer at £28 isn't so bad considering tyres etc

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Is the pH low in the field? I see the chicken muck is at pH7.8 but it won't have a neutralising value the same as lime.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'd be more worried about the blackgrass!!

Having used it for a few years on one block I have still honestly never seen one blade of blackgrass there! I think it well rotted it helps

 

[SilliamWhale]

Is the pH low in the field? I see the chicken muck is at pH7.8 but it won't have a neutralising value the same as lime.

Don't you think? I've found the pH quite high where I've used it.

 

[Luke Cropwalker]

Don't you think? I've found the pH quite high where I've used it.

Not really sure, if the field pH was low I wouldn't be relying on chicken muck personally.

 

[Repeat]

Could you use a wagon to haul it. An 8 wheeler at a similar rate per hour and legal.

 

[Hilly]

How long it take round trip ?