QF Tractors

I still come back to the fact that the machines in lower priced dealerships all came off farms ..............

But at least some/most dealing in such machinery will not deliberately missdescribe it, after buying it at auction "SaS" or perhaps with a declared fault, no harm whatsover in selling(almost) worn out equipment to us bottom feeders.
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Grassman

Member
Location
Derbyshire
So what's your point ? Ever seen the words " non runner , sold as seen" then same machine described "very tidy and reliable with full history".

This is the problem. Some sellers are very economic with the truth. They know a machine has an issue but don't mention it. Farmers and dealers alike. So many times iv heard a farmer telling a dealer that the machine is in good working order even when he knows that when it gets warm the hydraulics have issues etc.
Hopefully a dealer who is going to resell will actually test the machine as best he can. If he doesn't test it then he should be prepared to stand behind the machine if he claims it to in good working order.
 

Selectamatic

Member
Location
North Wales
I'm local and I can only think of one machinery dealer in LEFT in Denbigh, the other has moved again !
I wouldent deal with him out of principal, as i remember the tricks he got up to years ago ! A leopard never changes his spots !!!

There are currently two in Denbigh itself, one other dealer has now moved from the town.

Be careful, @holywell farmer not naming the dealer might, as @Cowabunga make some think that the comments are aimed at the other, reputable, dealers in Denbigh.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
I don't want this to end in a slanging match. My original point was that a machine (even if it was traded in and out of Murton or Sutton) would originally have come off a farm.

The dealer(s) in the chain have no use for the machine, so it either had a fault(s) on the farm or has had a bodged repair.

I accept listings should be accurately described. You cannot lay that at the door solely of dealers and traders however and anyone who says differently is just not being honest with themselves.

I have personal experience of major things like a decker main chassis with a huge crack, mastic filling and over painted. The farmer who traded that in claimed he had no knowledge and it must have been done when he bought it. I have no way of proving one way or another.

Look at every collective sale and where older kit has no description (ie sold as seen). Farmers delighted with the price achieved and yet a local dealer offered a part exchange price previously to take in to account the repairs required to sell it on and even offered some of his profit on the new machine against it.

Sometimes I just think farmers are too unrealistic in valuations.

If something is cheap, there must be a reason.

If a farmer buys off another farmer, he almost knows he will have to spend on the kit. If he buys off the dealer, he expects new condition for something 30 years old but not pay any premium for the work / time expended.

So the dealer or farmer who bought a pup puts it back through Murton or Sutton. He should be grateful that someone underwrote it and bought it again.

I could go on. Just please don't think all farmers are whiter than white
 

smcapstick

Member
Location
Kirkby Lonsdale
I don't want this to end in a slanging match. My original point was that a machine (even if it was traded in and out of Murton or Sutton) would originally have come off a farm.

The dealer(s) in the chain have no use for the machine, so it either had a fault(s) on the farm or has had a bodged repair.

I accept listings should be accurately described. You cannot lay that at the door solely of dealers and traders however and anyone who says differently is just not being honest with themselves.

I have personal experience of major things like a decker main chassis with a huge crack, mastic filling and over painted. The farmer who traded that in claimed he had no knowledge and it must have been done when he bought it. I have no way of proving one way or another.

Look at every collective sale and where older kit has no description (ie sold as seen). Farmers delighted with the price achieved and yet a local dealer offered a part exchange price previously to take in to account the repairs required to sell it on and even offered some of his profit on the new machine against it.

Sometimes I just think farmers are too unrealistic in valuations.

If something is cheap, there must be a reason.

If a farmer buys off another farmer, he almost knows he will have to spend on the kit. If he buys off the dealer, he expects new condition for something 30 years old but not pay any premium for the work / time expended.

So the dealer or farmer who bought a pup puts it back through Murton or Sutton. He should be grateful that someone underwrote it and bought it again.

I could go on. Just please don't think all farmers are whiter than white
...my sentiments, exactly.
 
There are currently two in Denbigh itself, one other dealer has now moved from the town.

Be careful, @holywell farmer not naming the dealer might, as @Cowabunga make some think that the comments are aimed at the other, reputable, dealers in Denbigh.

Opps I do apologise, forgot the blue one :whistle: oh and the red one ! Although I would class them as tractor dealers, not machinery dealers.
Ok im going to stop digging now, i think my hole is deep enough :whistle:
 

Dave W

Member
Location
chesterfield
Yes there are some less than reputable farmers but if a dealer sells something as good working order then it is 100% his responsibility.
He's taking the profit margin at the end of the day.
 

Lincsman

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
New machines are or will be made perfect, used machines WILL have wear and may have faults..... hence used cars, tractors etc etc etc are cheaper... is that not clear?
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
...my sentiments, exactly.
I will cite one example


Older secondhand decker. Paint shabby but underneath very (unusually) solid and the owner had kept on top of gate hangers etc etc.

We offered him a figure on part exchange against new

I advertised the old trailer as sold as seen as opposed to having gone through the workshops. Chap rings me up and bluntly just wants to know what the cheapest price would be to take it away. Price (inc saving) given.

Prospective customer arrives at yard with his Mother and his Uncle (in a brand new Range Rover - but that's owt to do with me).

First port of call is the rear yard and a newly painted secondhand Pezzi trailer takes their eye. Price given (bear in mind this is 3 x value of what they said their budget was).

Chap then spends 3 hours looking at trailer. Lists "faults". Asks for best price for fault rectification and respray. Respray at £4k not £7-9k and repairs. Now a good loss on the deal but we wanted trailer moving.

Then picture produced of a part exchange. This was never mentioned and wouldn't ordinarily be considered. A 2 deck cow trailer with the old 5ft 2in deck heights, so virtually unusable for anything but a store cattle dealer these days. Already at a loss on the deal, we offer scrappage value so at least the guy can tow it to us and collect his new one.

In the end the chap decided to sell that trailer privately and made a bit more than scrappage and he bought a cheap Pezzi trailer elsewhere. Now all of that is fair game at the bottom end of any dealing concern.

What is not acceptable (IMHO) is the 'phone call I received from that lady / Mother accusing me of all sorts and basically trying to rip them off.

The really sad thing is, if they had asked us about the other trailer they did buy, we could have told them quite a lot about the trailer and what would sensibly need doing to keep it cost effectively operational over the long term

I found that many in the trade were fairer and more realistic in their expectations than farmers.

Sorry but it's not all a one way street.



And before anyone hollers , I am NOT saying the majority of farmers are dishonest. They maybe need to be honest with themselves a bit
 

smcapstick

Member
Location
Kirkby Lonsdale
We've all had them.

I do tend to find that the nitpickers are not worth dealing with, as they'll threaten court over the silliest things, like an indicator being a bit bleached out on an old Ford 4610 or the paint being faded on and old Kv plough. Such people, in my experience, often tend to be on the 'fringe' of agriculture and not full-time commercial farmers.

The REAL customers, very often family farmers, know what they're looking at, have reasonable expectations and are good to know and work with.
 

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