Bit confused just been listening to the woman from QMS on the fed by farmers podcast and she was talking about halal slaughter being stunned first when I always thought halal slaughter protocol was that it wasn't allowed to be stunned first and had to have it's throat slit and hung to bleed out which is why so many people are against it. I did a quick google and google says the same as I thought. So have things changed or is it different in Scotland for some reason or is the woman wrong?
QMS on halal slaughter
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At the AHDB meeting I went to it was stated that 90 some odd % of halal is pre stunned. As long as the animal has the ability to regain consciousness after the stun then it counts as being acceptable for halal.
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100% of kosher is non-stun.
She roughly explained about the re gaining consciousness thing but not very clearly. So they have to be stunned with a less powerful gun than normal slaughter?
I was listening to something a few weeks ago about this. Apparently some halal is without stunning. All kosher killing is without stunning.
In my opinion both are equally cruel and unnecessary in this modern age.
In my opinion both are equally cruel and unnecessary in this modern age.
I agree
So things have changed then? Cause I'm sure it never used to be accepted
Electrical stunning can be stun to recover, if it is just a head stun, as opposed to across the heart as well. This satisfies the requirement that the animal be alive at the point of sticking. The animal is, in effect, suffering an epileptic seizure, which renders it insensible.
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What do you call a proper stun?
The only difference between halal and any other lamb you buy from a butcher or supermarket is that a prayer is said at the point of bleeding.
Same as a Christian saying a prayer at the table, they say theirs at point of slaughter.
At that meeting I attended we were told that the chances are the lamb you bought out a supermarket was killed halal as it's that big of a market that all the big abattoirs kill halal then pack it separate.
Most non stun halal ends up in the back street halal markets you'd get in the inner city Muslim markets.
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No, it's been the case for a very long time. 90% of Halal lamb is pre-stunned.
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- Staffordshire Moorlands
There cattle aren't. They use a process which we aren't allowed to use over here. So the majority of halal beef here comes from over there.
properly stunned i would say ie beyond coming around and not knowing about it,
Let's face it, live transport from the antipodes to the middle east is a cruel trade that ends in totally unregulated slaughter.
Do abbatoirs employ someone to pray all day for each sheep?
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I once was told that in some abattoirs it's played over load speaker..
but they could of just been yanking my chain.Alot was said at the AHDB meeting, it was hard to take it all in. Does the fellow who does the bleeding have to be a Muslim,? I can't remember.
The ones I've been to do, but it's the slaughter mem who are saying it before sticking the animal.
When I was there they weren't saying it loud enough to hear, but it can be noisy once inside.
Its a religious thing cant interfere with there religion for fear of being a racist
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