Quadruplicate Sheep Movement Forms

[Pan mixer]

Just about run out of the old aml forms, where can I get a bunch of the new forms? the market only lets you have one each time you send one in.

Arams electronic is still useless

 

[farmerclare]

I just get some out of the box at market

 

[Jerry]

I just get some out of the box at market

Likewise. Big box in the office.

 

[Pan mixer]

I just get some out of the box at market

But that means I will have to go, with all that disease risk etc. Besides who will feed the cattle, muck out the sow yard and power wash a grower shed if I go to market?

 

[Jerry]

Ring trading standards and get them to post you a batch?

 

[Pan mixer]

Ring trading standards and get them to post you a batch?

That is what I used to do but I thought that they were nothing to do with it now?

 

[Bury the Trash]

down load them- trouble is then u got to print of 3or 4 and then the hauliers don't like them

 

[Keepers]

I grab a wodge at the market, or ring up and ask for some, they send them in good amount

 

[Pan mixer]

Having rung ARAMS, the definitive answer is as above, get the forms from market or abbattoir, they don't send them anywhere else as these organisations use boxes full.

I could tell the chap there wasn't impressed with my parting shot of "your electronic system is still rubbish", in fairness he probably didn't write the programme and I got the impression that I wasn't the first to mention it.

 

[delilah]

I'm sure this question has been asked and answered on here before......

If taking a ram to a farm, and bringing a ram back on the return trip, what is the correct procedure ? Is any coordination with the other party needed re form filling ?

 

[Al R]

They both need to be in transit before they arrive at one another’s holdings. You can’t bring the ram back with you from the same holding you drop off at as they will be locked in on the 6 clear day rule.

 

[delilah]

Thanks, yes that's sort of what I was thinking in that i'm trying to help them out here, they will be the ones who would be caught out on the timings. So we need to ask them to record their departure time as, say, 4pm, with our arrival with them being 5pm ? And they need to record themselves, the departure keeper, as haulier ?

 

[Estate fencing.]

They both need to be in transit before they arrive at one another’s holdings. You can’t bring the ram back with you from the same holding you drop off at as they will be locked in on the 6 clear day rule.
Btw they reckon over 50% or movements are timed or dated wrong to allow for creative accounting, or so they say…..

How do they know it’s 50%? I bet the people who come up with that figure have never moved sheep in there lives (I’m not saying if I think it’s more or less )

 

[AftonShepherd]

Not sure how official it is but when I had shearlings coming home and ewe lambs going away I was told by an SGRPID officer that it would be ok to use same lorry as long shearlings were dropped in a field and ewe lambs already in pens for loading. Both movements within the existing business although separate holding numbers. I've kept WhatsApp messages in case anyone ever queries it.

 

[Fendt516profi]

Not sure how official it is but when I had shearlings coming home and ewe lambs going away I was told by an SGRPID officer that it would be ok to use same lorry as long shearlings were dropped in a field and ewe lambs already in pens for loading. Both movements within the existing business although separate holding numbers. I've kept WhatsApp messages in case anyone ever queries it.

You mean the shearlings are coming onto a separate holding number to what the lambs are going off. If that's the case surely the shearlings wouldn't be triggering any standstill on the lambs

 

[AftonShepherd]

You mean the shearlings are coming onto a separate holding number to what the lambs are going off. If that's the case surely the shearlings wouldn't be triggering any standstill on the lambs

No. My boss has his own holding about 40 miles from a totally separate holding which I manage. He grazes my ewe lambs right though until they return as shearlings when the following years lambs go down.

Technically a standstill should be triggered, but the officer I asked obviously thinks a common sense approach is acceptable. I have since set up a separation field (so I could.buy some Swales and still sell store lambs) so it definitely won't be an issue in future years.

 

[David1968]

Breeding rams don't trigger a standstill in Scotland, i.e delivering a ram wouldn't stop you bringing one back on the same trip provided they're not already on a standstill for something else.

Don't know if that applies elsewhere, you'd need to check on the exemptions.

 

[delilah]

Breeding rams don't trigger a standstill in Scotland, i.e delivering a ram wouldn't stop you bringing one back on the same trip provided they're not already on a standstill for something else.

How very sensible, have just spent 5 minutes on the phone talking the other end through filling their form in so that the lie is consistent, what a complete farce.

 

[neilo]

Breeding rams don't trigger a standstill in Scotland, i.e delivering a ram wouldn't stop you bringing one back on the same trip provided they're not already on a standstill for something else.

Don't know if that applies elsewhere, you'd need to check on the exemptions.

No that's a Scotland only exemption.

Although it makes life easier for the farmer, it is a nonsense in terms of disease control. Surely either incoming sheep can bring in disease, or they can't. It makes no difference if they are male or female.

 

[Fendt516profi]

What is the rules about animals completing the journey in one transporter? If the sheep on the farm you are destined for with yours are loaded up and set off and stop in a layby down the road and then are swapped into your trailer when you've done your drop is that legal. I've both met wagons down the road with stock and gone to get stock of a wagon down the road