Everyone does it voluntarily nobody is forced to pay rent we all have the option to walk.
Radio 2 talking subsidies
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Everyone does it voluntarily nobody is forced to pay rent we all have the option to walk.
glasshouse
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That comment just shows the level of your ignorance.
Y Fan Wen
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What kills us is the long period of temperatures in the single figures along with humidity in the high percentiles.
We don't think of the Alps as being a particularly dry place;
I went to stay with my cousin in the Austrian Tirol one summer and was amazed to find post and rail field fences made of untreated softwood straight out of the forest. I was shown a vehicle bridge newly installed to replace one destroyed by an avalanche. It was also made from softwood from the forest sawn on site. I asked how long they expected it to last, 30-50 years was the reply. If I did the same thing here I would get about 5 years.
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Why?
I would also like to know why. You do realise you are making yourself look a real plonker
If nobody paid the high rents they would go down
simmy_bull
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Somebody will always pay over the odds to ensure they get there hands on it though.
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If they're paying over the odds they'll go bust.
simmy_bull
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Not necassarily in the medium term. Lots and lots of established farming businesses or businesses with money from an outside source could afford to prop up a high rent payment for quite a long time IMO.
This is very true,and they use all these extra acres to justify buying the lexion or the Fendt.
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Busy fools. Where's that thread about Farmer Bob, farming 1000 acres for £100,000 or 3000 acres for £103,000.
simmy_bull
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I've not seen that thread but I suspect you've hit the nail no the head there.
maybe but that doesn't disprove what I said
No they won't go bust, it just means that part of their business will make them no money. Most of them will have land at home at lower or even no rent and justify it ( to themselves ) over a larger acreage with economies of scale.
average farmer
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personally I'm looking forward to farming without subsidies and think it'll open up a lot more oppertunities for the proper farming folk with a positive attitude, It'll not be easy by any means but that just makes it more of a challenge.
I must admit though I'm in a good situation as this year I'll have my loan paid off on the land I've bought over the last 20 years and my dad starts drawing the pension.
Didn't listen to the radio 2 Show but he Mrs did and said the old boy farmer didn't come across very well and the other farmer starting from scratch had a massive chip on his shoulder
I must admit though I'm in a good situation as this year I'll have my loan paid off on the land I've bought over the last 20 years and my dad starts drawing the pension.
Didn't listen to the radio 2 Show but he Mrs did and said the old boy farmer didn't come across very well and the other farmer starting from scratch had a massive chip on his shoulder
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I hope your right but I fear it will take more than a positive attitude to compete with large scale well established businesses with large asset bases which will tide them over during the inevitable downturns. They will have long term relationships with banks, land agents etc and although the young and ambitious could develop new ideas and find new markets I can't see them competing for land and opportunities against set ups that were established many generations ago. In an ideal world yes but there is no such thing as an ideal world and it could get brutal.
average farmer
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Much the same then,
Possibly, yes.
The point I AM making is the climate north of Birmingham (arbitary place) is / can be very different from places of, lets say 'better climate' whether it is drier, less exposed lower, or just better soil.
When you get out into the hills and pennines and further north, I don't think there is any way those boys can make a go of it without subsidies. That's what pillar 2 is for. No government in the western world can really be allowed to let those real hard farms become totally uneconomic - its why pillar 2 are referred to as "socio-economic" support payments.
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Why not?
Either you've not been in remote areas or perhaps you're a bit thick?! (No offence)
When there is as many '000 s of acres as there is that agriculturally speaking is , to use a technical term - fekkin useless, but is farmed today, even with a low stocking rate of 1 ewe; 5 acres or so, it doesn't take much to go back to a great depression situation where everyone would -rightly- leave the land derelict.
Government pumps in £ X, to lift the economics to subsistence level, keeps unemployment statistics down, nature conservation booms, the upland community is maintained and x 000 tons of carbon is stored in the peat.
Yes it's bollox, but what happens in government that isn't?
(No offence)When there is as many '000 s of acres as there is that agriculturally speaking is , to use a technical term - fekkin useless, but is farmed today, even with a low stocking rate of 1 ewe; 5 acres or so, it doesn't take much to go back to a great depression situation where everyone would -rightly- leave the land derelict.
Government pumps in £ X, to lift the economics to subsistence level, keeps unemployment statistics down, nature conservation booms, the upland community is maintained and x 000 tons of carbon is stored in the peat.
Yes it's bollox, but what happens in government that isn't?