Ram costs

Sendhelp

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Scotland
What has everyone spent on a ram? i am on my second Tupping and have heard two schools of thought. You buy cheaper or from the fat ring and run them then sale the ram( if bad) or you buy a more expensive quality breeding accredited tup and keep for few years. What is everyone's opinion on this i am puzzled?
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
buy from the fat / cull ring you ask for all you get lol , had a new customer lately who said all 3 of his texels he bought last year are throwing pig mouths and wont finish , these are destined for the cull pens , im in absolutely no doubt they will be bought for breeding as they are very good shaped rams , by someone who likes a bargain.
, you need to buy from the right place , someone who has done their job right means you will get 5+ years of good lambs and a high % that fall in the right spec and grow quick , this doesnt mean highly fed wobblers at mart , when you see the next pen of good fat lambs ask where they source their rams will tell you a lot

A good ram say costing £500 , at say easy 50 ewes a year , will sire 375 lambs over 5 years @ 150% , works out at £1.30 a lamb , not much really for a fat lamb worth around £100 conservatively, click costs as much these days , and he will still be worth £100 as a cull , Thats why its important to find the right breeder because if that ram lasts 1 year and dies because the liver or kidneys are fkd from over feeding , your looking at £6.66 a lamb .
 
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Tim W

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Location
Wiltshire
Pay your money & take your chances
I had a call from someone who had bought an (alleged) Exlana ram wanting a refund as it hadn't got any ewes in lamb.
Turned out he had bought it from a dealer who had got it from the cull pen at mart...it was there because it was a teaser with only a few teeth left but neither the dealer or the complaining farmer had thought to check that 😁 ...the big red X on it's back should have been a hint 😜
 

Ysgythan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ammanford
What has everyone spent on a ram? i am on my second Tupping and have heard two schools of thought. You buy cheaper or from the fat ring and run them then sale the ram( if bad) or you buy a more expensive quality breeding accredited tup and keep for few years. What is everyone's opinion on this i am puzzled?
Got 4 ram lambs I’m running as shearlings that will be the second type, and three I’m culling that will be the first type. You’re the boss, take your pick…
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Pay your money & take your chances
I had a call from someone who had bought an (alleged) Exlana ram wanting a refund as it hadn't got any ewes in lamb.
Turned out he had bought it from a dealer who had got it from the cull pen at mart...it was there because it was a teaser with only a few teeth left but neither the dealer or the complaining farmer had thought to check that 😁 ...the big red X on it's back should have been a hint 😜
Cheapskate fkrs deserve all they get ,
 
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Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
You can get decent accredited rams for sensible money,

got them at Skipton,

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The cheaper one was just wet from night before and not quite as toned but he’s a real nice long good tup, why risk sh!t for a few hindered extra
 
Location
Cumbria
I seem to spend around 10 fat lambs on a shearling tup,so this year 1000.I could get cheaper and maybe not get much less for my fat lambs but I do think it is worthwhile, and on the other side if I was breeding a decent tup wouldn’t want to keep it for 18 months and then sell it for 200 and give a warranty for 6 months .
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I seem to spend around 10 fat lambs on a shearling tup,so this year 1000.I could get cheaper and maybe not get much less for my fat lambs but I do think it is worthwhile, and on the other side if I was breeding a decent tup wouldn’t want to keep it for 18 months and then sell it for 200 and give a warranty for 6 months .

I’ve suggested the ‘10 fat lambs’ model to a few on-farm buyers this year, which always led to silence while they tried to work out if I was being serious…

How anyone can justify £1000+ for a crossing ram is beyond me, and that’s from someone breeding & selling them!
 
Location
Cumbria
I’ve suggested the ‘10 fat lambs’ model to a few on-farm buyers this year, which always led to silence while they tried to work out if I was being serious…

How anyone can justify £1000+ for a crossing ram is beyond me, and that’s from someone breeding & selling them!
I don’t need to justify it but if I’m keeping my own replacements I want to look at a field of ewes and rams that I like.I admit it might not make the best financial sense but then what in farming does.
 

Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
As said in other post not accredited crosses were more in other ring, I don’t ‘ get it’ my self, I often ponder that farmers think they will be cheaper in there so head for that ring it always much more busy in there?
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I don’t need to justify it but if I’m keeping my own replacements I want to look at a field of ewes and rams that I like.I admit it might not make the best financial sense but then what in farming does.

I can fully understand it if you’re breeding replacements off them, those genetics influence more than one generation in that case.👍

Spending that sort of money on a ram to ‘just’ produce finished lambs gets more questionable though imo. Plenty round here do it still, but usually as they want their neighbours to see them doing so.🤐
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I can fully understand it if you’re breeding replacements off them, those genetics influence more than one generation in that case.👍

Spending that sort of money on a ram to ‘just’ produce finished lambs gets more questionable though imo. Plenty round here do it still, but usually as they want their neighbours to see them doing so.🤐
Yeah… I’ve never followed the over 1k for a tup to just produce finished lambs (nearly put fat lambs there, close escape) ours are anywhere from 450-800 depending on the type of tup. Mostly between 5-650. I see the blokes who pay big money for the xb tups and there lambs aren’t that different too my homebred lambs…
 

Jockers84

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Caithness
Buy decent well grown tup lambs @ £200-£300, run them on the ewes then sell them as shearlings turning a profit. It’s a step away from the engrained mindset of accepting that tups make a loss - be it a cheap nasty one or a very expensive one.
 

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