Ransomes ts59 / robin 54a

rick_vandal

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I think if I came 4th in the Nationals ,like you did a few years back, I wouldn't have any intention of swapping. I think if I did come in the top 5 or near the top or even middle it would be a miracle! Your Robin must do a good job like this one does as you came 4th at the Nationals and you have beaten Richard before . If you don't want to modify the plough I would say the Robin has the most cross shaft adjustment. But Bob has got the best idea by far by narrowing the frame and headstock. John has got another good idea by using a 3rd furrow.
All you need is a good plot that has good ground, like in the video, at the Nationals and then 1st price will be yours!
Why have skims?
 

rick_vandal

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Soft South
A bit foreign but skims banned!
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Don't really understand a discussion on why skims are needed......surely they're there to assist in the burying of trash, whether its gobs full of stubble/weed or just slightly nibbling the corner off turf so it doesn't look like the green stripes in the pic above. High cut don't skim, but they have drag chains that get rid of the bit of trash showing, so in effect they're skimming as well. That's why skimmers were invented weren't they ?
 

Howard150

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Yorkshire
If anything not buried properly gets light and air to it then it will grow. Anything showing - be it grass or stubble, will cost you points. So yes it is best to use skimmers. It's how you use them that's the crux of the argument.
Minimal engagement goes without saying. Too much skimming and the furrow slice either breaks up or rocks unevenly on the skimming. Too much skimming can also have a big bearing on firmness as well.
Too little and trash or stubble is visible.
 

rick_vandal

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Soft South
If anything not buried properly gets light and air to it then it will grow. Anything showing - be it grass or stubble, will cost you points. So yes it is best to use skimmers. It's how you use them that's the crux of the argument.
Minimal engagement goes without saying. Too much skimming and the furrow slice either breaks up or rocks unevenly on the skimming. Too much skimming can also have a big bearing on firmness as well.
Too little and trash or stubble is visible.
Yes, it is the crux! How would you like a floating skimming assembly that follows the ground, not the frame? It would work from in to out and across tramlines at constant depth. Furthermore, why not skim to the left so that the trash is the first thing to be turned by the next body? © Never been done before, but I have a long winter ahead!
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Yes, it is the crux! How would you like a floating skimming assembly that follows the ground, not the frame? It would work from in to out and across tramlines at constant depth. Furthermore, why not skim to the left so that the trash is the first thing to be turned by the next body? © Never been done before, but I have a long winter ahead!
I built a prototype skimmer assembly on a spring loaded parallel linkage that followed the contours but never put it into use because I feared it would be a pain in the a--se at times and lead to major bungs. I can`t see the advantage of skimming to the following body because it defeats the principle of slicing off the joint corner to form a good seal. ie.you skim the corner of the slice to the right of the disc. If you skim to the left of the disc you do not achieve this., in fact all you do is cut off the corner that is going to end up at the bottom anyway.
 

Howard150

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Yorkshire
Yes, it is the crux! How would you like a floating skimming assembly that follows the ground, not the frame? It would work from in to out and across tramlines at constant depth. Furthermore, why not skim to the left so that the trash is the first thing to be turned by the next body? © Never been done before, but I have a long winter ahead!

I built a prototype skimmer assembly on a spring loaded parallel linkage that followed the contours but never put it into use because I feared it would be a pain in the a--se at times and lead to major bungs. I can`t see the advantage of skimming to the following body because it defeats the principle of slicing off the joint corner to form a good seal. ie.you skim the corner of the slice to the right of the disc. If you skim to the left of the disc you do not achieve this., in fact all you do is cut off the corner that is going to end up at the bottom anyway.

Losing a grasp on reality now lads. The skimmer needs to be in a constant position relative to the share. It may well be advantageous to drop down for the ins and outs but apart from that never should rise above a certain constant level otherwise the furrow slice will have an irregular depth of face throughout the length of the plot. This irregular depth will give rise to the furrow being higher / lower up the mouldboard with the added complication that despite the furrow wall being straight, the ploughing appears to be bent.
Whatever you skim off then the sooner it is buried the better. The nescessary geometry of the simmer and the position of the disc does not lend easily to skimming to the left (viewed from the rear)
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Losing a grasp on reality now lads. The skimmer needs to be in a constant position relative to the share. It may well be advantageous to drop down for the ins and outs but apart from that never should rise above a certain constant level otherwise the furrow slice will have an irregular depth of face throughout the length of the plot. This irregular depth will give rise to the furrow being higher / lower up the mouldboard with the added complication that despite the furrow wall being straight, the ploughing appears to be bent.
Whatever you skim off then the sooner it is buried the better. The nescessary geometry of the simmer and the position of the disc does not lend easily to skimming to the left (viewed from the rear)
So you are saying that , in the interest of minimal skimming, you deliberately ignore sub surface wheelings that inevitabley contain straw. If this straw fails to get buried how do you deal with it ? Perhaps clear all these wheelings with a rake or fork beforehand or is there another method?
 

rick_vandal

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Soft South
Maybe the necessary geometry of the conventional skimmer and the position of the disc does not lend easily to skimming to the left (viewed from the rear). If I move the disc back to interact with the shin, move the skim device forward then I can shear off the relevant corner of the slice leftwards before said disc?
 

Ley253

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Location
Bath
So you are saying that , in the interest of minimal skimming, you deliberately ignore sub surface wheelings that inevitabley contain straw. If this straw fails to get buried how do you deal with it ? Perhaps clear all these wheelings with a rake or fork beforehand or is there another method?
Yes, rake it off is the only option, putting it in the open furrow every turn cuts down the travelling! Dont put it in the open furrow if your going to do a single next run, unless that is, you wish to decorate(or perhaps hide) your work with a beard! (the front body will pick it out and deposit it neatly on the back of the preceding furrow slice!)
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
Maybe the necessary geometry of the conventional skimmer and the position of the disc does not lend easily to skimming to the left (viewed from the rear). If I move the disc back to interact with the shin, move the skim device forward then I can shear off the relevant corner of the slice leftwards before said disc?
You will stand a good chance of getting a massive bung up.
Yes, rake it off is the only option, putting it in the open furrow every turn cuts down the travelling! Dont put it in the open furrow if your going to do a single next run, unless that is, you wish to decorate(or perhaps hide) your work with a beard! (the front body will pick it out and deposit it neatly on the back of the preceding furrow slice!)
There is another one Harry but nobody has mentioned that.:rolleyes:
 

Howard150

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Yorkshire
So you are saying that , in the interest of minimal skimming, you deliberately ignore sub surface wheelings that inevitabley contain straw. If this straw fails to get buried how do you deal with it ? Perhaps clear all these wheelings with a rake or fork beforehand or is there another method?

Goes without saying Bob - if it can drop down for ins and outs it can drop into a wheeling. Critical point is that it should not be able to rise above a certain level in order that the furrow slice remains a constant depth.
 

rick_vandal

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Soft South
To recap, the trash on the left-hand top corner of the furrow slice going needs to be removed. Traditionally it goes to the right (and gives grief) yet there is room on the left when the next body can turn it under.
 

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