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Selectamatic

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What's the difference between a 1294 and a 1390 then @John 1594? I always thought that they were basically the same tractor?

We do different work to you with this one, but it's a favourite with us, light, strong, plenty of go!

One day it will be tarted up a bit, after all the other stuff that needs doing...

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John 1594

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Cambridgeshire
But didn't you have trouble with the axle on the 1390? Surprised you didn't go for a 4 wd


You read that wrong......1390 is basically a 996 with a big cab and a front mounted hyd pump...996 axle....as opposed to the larger 12 series axle fitted on the 1490 upwards


@Selectamatic ...difference between a 1294 and a 1390.......1294 has rear mounted pump, as per 990/5/6, and the 1294 has a far better control layout than the 1390 ever did....colour coded range levers, easier to use pto clutch, hyd levers all grouped in one place, etc etc

As said above, 1390 has a bit of both, its got the back end of a 996, with the pee poor drum brakes, but has the front mounted pump off a 1200, albeit with a rubber drive coupling, as opposed to the splined shaft used on all other models
 

Selectamatic

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Location
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You read that wrong......1390 is basically a 996 with a big cab and a front mounted hyd pump...996 axle....as opposed to the larger 12 series axle fitted on the 1490 upwards


@Selectamatic ...difference between a 1294 and a 1390.......1294 has rear mounted pump, as per 990/5/6, and the 1294 has a far better control layout than the 1390 ever did....colour coded range levers, easier to use pto clutch, hyd levers all grouped in one place, etc etc

As said above, 1390 has a bit of both, its got the back end of a 996, with the pee poor drum brakes, but has the front mounted pump off a 1200, albeit with a rubber drive coupling, as opposed to the splined shaft used on all other models

Oh aye, so it has.

I've never worked on a 1390, or had much to do with one.

Was the rubber doughnut any good? The front drive shaft for the pump was not DB's finest hour...
 

multi power

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Location
pembrokeshire
You read that wrong......1390 is basically a 996 with a big cab and a front mounted hyd pump...996 axle....as opposed to the larger 12 series axle fitted on the 1490 upwards


@Selectamatic ...difference between a 1294 and a 1390.......1294 has rear mounted pump, as per 990/5/6, and the 1294 has a far better control layout than the 1390 ever did....colour coded range levers, easier to use pto clutch, hyd levers all grouped in one place, etc etc

As said above, 1390 has a bit of both, its got the back end of a 996, with the pee poor drum brakes, but has the front mounted pump off a 1200, albeit with a rubber drive coupling, as opposed to the splined shaft used on all other models
I think I confused myself, I think of a 1390/94 as a 996 and a 1490/94 as a 1410
 

John 1594

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Location
Cambridgeshire
Oh aye, so it has.

I've never worked on a 1390, or had much to do with one.

Was the rubber doughnut any good? The front drive shaft for the pump was not DB's finest hour...


Rubber doughnut is same as a vicon vari spreader drive coupling believe it or not.

Front shaft drive was fine on a single pump, but when you specced twin pumps, the extra weight of the dual pump along with the extra force to drive it tended to twist the bracket, putting it all out of line and wearing the splines

It took field test a while to pick up on the fault, as it was only when the pumps were being used to power external services that the most wear occured, but in the mid 80s a service bulletin was issues with instructions for adding gussets to beef up the pump mounting bracket
 

Selectamatic

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Location
North Wales
I think I confused myself, I think of a 1390/94 as a 996 and a 1490/94 as a 1410

1410 and 1494 were different animals

1410, 90hp Turbo with Inline Pump. Big Back end that was later used on the 6 Cylinders
1494, 82hp, Turbo, rotary pump, Smaller back end, like the 1210.

If they had put the bigger back end on the 1494, now that would have been a proper tractor!!
 

John 1594

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Location
Cambridgeshire
I think I confused myself, I think of a 1390/94 as a 996 and a 1490/94 as a 1410


1190.....885
1290.....990
1390.....996
1490......1210 with a turbo

1690...1410/12 with a 6 pot engine

1690 turbo....as above, with a turbo

1194...souped up 1190
1294....early models, as per 1290, later ones, same power as 1390, but still 1290 back end with rear mounted pump
1494...1490 with different turbo
1594...de tuned 1690
1694....1690 turbo
 

multi power

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Location
pembrokeshire
1410 and 1494 were different animals

1410, 90hp Turbo with Inline Pump. Big Back end that was later used on the 6 Cylinders
1494, 82hp, Turbo, rotary pump, Smaller back end, like the 1210.

If they had put the bigger back end on the 1494, now that would have been a proper tractor!!
So a 1494 has same back end as 1210? But John says wet brakes?
 

multi power

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Location
pembrokeshire
1190.....885
1290.....990
1390.....996
1490......1210 with a turbo

1690...1410/12 with a 6 pot engine

1690 turbo....as above, with a turbo

1194...souped up 1190
1294....early models, as per 1290, later ones, same power as 1390, but still 1290 back end with rear mounted pump
1494...1490 with different turbo
1594...de tuned 1690
1694....1690 turbo
So a 1490 is a turbo 1210? But that's a 1394 is it not?
 

Selectamatic

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Location
North Wales
So a 1490 is a turbo 1210? But that's a 1394 is it not?

1210/12 = N/A 72hp, Dry Brakes.
1390/94 = Turbo 72hp, Wet Brakes.
1490/94 = Turbo 82hp, Wet Brakes.
1410/12 = Turbo 91hp, Wet Brakes.

All similar, but all slightly different, mainly in the engine and brakes dept.

Nothing revolutionary came out of DB's R&D Dept toward the end, it was mainly a chop and change of what they had, with a tweak here and there...
 

multi power

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Location
pembrokeshire
1210/12 = N/A 72hp, Dry Brakes.
1390/94 = Turbo 72hp, Wet Brakes.
1490/94 = Turbo 82hp, Wet Brakes.
1410/12 = Turbo 91hp, Wet Brakes.

All similar, but all slightly different, mainly in the engine and brakes dept.

Nothing revolutionary came out of DB's R&D Dept toward the end, it was mainly a chop and change of what they had, with a tweak here and there...
Not correct, 1394 has dry brakes
1390 has no turbo
Apart from cab and hitch I can't see any difference between 1394 and the old 1210 we had before
 

John 1594

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Location
Cambridgeshire
1394 came about mainly because the original 1390 (basically a 996 with a huge quite cab) was pretty numb and dead for what it was....the 996 was a nimble enough thing, but when they added another half ton to the cab to make the sekura S80....it kind of made it a bit flat

certainly with ours, even having been "tweaked"...it just didnt have the go in it like a light footed 990 or a turboed 14
 

Selectamatic

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Location
North Wales
Not correct, 1394 has dry brakes
1390 has no turbo
Apart from cab and hitch I can't see any difference between 1394 and the old 1210 we had before

Oh cock, aye, your right, it's been a long day!!

1210 had inline pump, 1394 rotary pump and turbo.

I think the engines are different because of this, different crank, pistons etc, but I'd have to check and I'm going to bed in a bit!
 

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