Rearing calves on grass

som farmer

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man has already altered land, animal wise, as soon as we started killing things, the whole balance changed, ok for the wanted, not for the unwanted, when we started protecting them, balance alters again, prime example TB, and I wonder how long before otters are a problem, for the fantastic job, that's been restocking trout, salmon etc, for many animals, the top, and only predator is man.
 

Jaffa Cakes

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NI
Is this thread in danger of getting off topic? While I am interested in what is being discussed its straying somewhat from the original query (although I accept that all things are connected!!).

If anyone has any other hints, tips or advice regarding rearing calves on grass only I am all ears ?
 

Samcowman

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Cornwall
The enthusiasm of some guys on this subject is quite infectious!! What are you planning Sam?
Autumn born dairy bred Angus. Would be turned out the following spring so around 6 months. Reckon where they would be could carry approx 150 assuming they are 0.3 SU then rotate them around for the summer to then possibly be finished at grass the following summer if they aren’t nearly finished by turnout. These would be replacing some of the sucklers as the figures for sucklers on good ground that you can rotate cattle around don’t stack up as well as growing cattle some well.
 

Kiwi Pete

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P.s. hope I'm not over stepping the mark as a newbie round here . . .
You're alright, fella (y) I do this from time to time ?
I think the main thing overall is, don't get too hung up on keeping their feed short early, because they will catch up soon enough, especially if you have the stocking rate within cooee.

"they'll eat it in May" is something I once heard said (southern hemisphere) and it is very true. The main part with your grazing strategy is to limit their range just enough that every tiller/leaf is grazed - don't worry about grass height
 
Autumn born dairy bred Angus. Would be turned out the following spring so around 6 months. Reckon where they would be could carry approx 150 assuming they are 0.3 SU then rotate them around for the summer to then possibly be finished at grass the following summer if they aren’t nearly finished by turnout. These would be replacing some of the sucklers as the figures for sucklers on good ground that you can rotate cattle around don’t stack up as well as growing cattle some well.
I had a look at that type of system too. Maybe buying yearlings and outwintering would result in turning your money over faster? I think you're right in that autumn born calves might be best on this type of system.
 

bendigeidfran

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Autumn born Angus dairy crosses we decided to go in to as said you can turn them out in spring and they are ready to go as it were. Sold our first lot fat last september just over 300kg, 22 months old . going to out winter yearlings this winter
 

Kiwi Pete

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Autumn born Angus dairy crosses we decided to go in to as said you can turn them out in spring and they are ready to go as it were. Sold our first lot fat last september just over 300kg, 22 months old . going to out winter yearlings this winter
We'll put some inside and some outside, next winter, hopefully - to increase the spring stocking rate. It's damnably difficult to outbid farmers with grass and money in the spring, but we can winter them cheaper than most.
 
We'll put some inside and some outside, next winter, hopefully - to increase the spring stocking rate. It's damnably difficult to outbid farmers with grass and money in the spring, but we can winter them cheaper than most.
Yes, I was thinking that over here getting cattle sold by October latest then buying in November before the sub is paid could be a good play, tailoring numbers to fodder stockpile/price (standing and bales).

My main issue with actioning these great ideas is that I either need to sell the sheep, which I am loathe to do having spent 12 years building a decent flock. The other option is renting some ground for the sheep and trying out the holistic/cattle approach at home. However, I doubt that even with both sides of the job performing well it would replace my wage. I'm mid 40s now and simply don't have the energy to run stock on that scale and work. That's of course if ground can be acquired and then there would be a debt to service.

I need a change but don't know how to pull it off :cautious:
 

bendigeidfran

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Old saying farmers with grass and money, they wont waste the grass.
Yes difficult to let go of some things, i just reduced my B flock to keep cattle ,would be a diffrent thing to sell A flock nearly where i want them to be
 
Old saying farmers with grass and money, they wont waste the grass.
Yes difficult to let go of some things, i just reduced my B flock to keep cattle ,would be a diffrent thing to sell A flock nearly where i want them to be
I could be heading that direction. I quite like having some terminal sire lambs that I can sell early as stores if grass/cash flow dictates. I managed to finish the majority last year but looking like more will be sold store this year and my sums suggest there's not a big margin in store lambs.

Got three heifers that are hopefully in calf now. Might be a few more cows coming to join them.
 

Samcowman

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Yes, I was thinking that over here getting cattle sold by October latest then buying in November before the sub is paid could be a good play, tailoring numbers to fodder stockpile/price (standing and bales).

My main issue with actioning these great ideas is that I either need to sell the sheep, which I am loathe to do having spent 12 years building a decent flock. The other option is renting some ground for the sheep and trying out the holistic/cattle approach at home. However, I doubt that even with both sides of the job performing well it would replace my wage. I'm mid 40s now and simply don't have the energy to run stock on that scale and work. That's of course if ground can be acquired and then there would be a debt to service.

I need a change but don't know how to pull it off :cautious:
Hitting the top of the market is part of the plan. In theory September born calves should be gone straight off grass so hitting top of the market and cheapest finishing system. How about running the sheep with the cattle?
 
Hitting the top of the market is part of the plan. In theory September born calves should be gone straight off grass so hitting top of the market and cheapest finishing system. How about running the sheep with the cattle?
You're aiming to sell them over the summer then, beef tends to peak then? Should be no bother (y)

If we're going to cut back a little on sheep, then I think we'll be going down the road of a few sucklers to add to the three heifers we've got. Hopefully they'll be useful utilising rougher grass and improving sheep grazing. Having said that, my limited experience of calf rearing (said three heifers) was enjoyable and profitable, so I wouldn't rule out more of that if the calf price drops a bit! Possible disease issue there with a resident suckler herd, of course.
 

Samcowman

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Cornwall
You're aiming to sell them over the summer then, beef tends to peak then? Should be no bother (y)

If we're going to cut back a little on sheep, then I think we'll be going down the road of a few sucklers to add to the three heifers we've got. Hopefully they'll be useful utilising rougher grass and improving sheep grazing. Having said that, my limited experience of calf rearing (said three heifers) was enjoyable and profitable, so I wouldn't rule out more of that if the calf price drops a bit! Possible disease issue there with a resident suckler herd, of course.
What could go wrong ???
 

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