Reclaiming hill

[DH_]

whats the best way to turn heather hill to grass, is the best way to dig it , or to spread plenty of manure and keep spraying and mulching

 

[Anymulewilldo]

@livestock 1 to the front

 

[livestock 1]

Don’t ask NE about this

 

[livestock 1]

The best treatment we have found is mag lime tsp and as you say shyt. I haven’t tried to get rid of Heather but if I was to I would burn it first

 

[Derrick Hughes]

You need a soil test
But up this way it was plough limes P& K and a good long term seed mix ,plenty of stock on it will do the rest

 

[Hesstondriver]

Swan vestas

 

[Top Tip.]

whats the best way to turn heather hill to grass, is the best way to dig it , or to spread plenty of manure and keep spraying and mulching

Lime to start with and then phosphate . Plenty of dung if you’ve got it.

 

[ringi]

One option in addition to lime/p/k is mod grazing with very high density of cattle using bale grazing with long recovery times. The cattle with make space in the heather for grass to grow.

 

[Hilly]

Out of fashion , pishing against the wind …
Good thing to do imo but authority’s wint like it ..

 

[Cowlife]

We improved a hill years ago after it was divide up. It was waist high heather. Hen dung got rid of the Heather sharpish and then it got 1 run of slurry every spring.
Turned itself into nice grazing without lime or reseeding-yours may be different.
It's now in an environmental scheme !

 

[Nithsdale]

Govt departments don't want you improving hill at all.

Go ahead at your own risk... especially if you claim subs

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Out of fashion , pishing against the wind …
Good thing to do imo but authority’s wint like it ..

You got 1 correct lol
I think you will find going forward Labour will be against anything we do ,bar sitting on our arses ,
I remmber when we moved to wales mum sent some heather back to our friends in Cheshire, when dad found out he went ballistic, "we dont want the farmers in Cheshire to know we grow that "
Have a job to find it here now

 

[Hilly]

You got 1 correct lol
I think you will find going forward Labour will be against anything we do ,bar sitting on our arses ,
I remmber when we moved to wales mum sent some heather back to our friends in Cheshire, when dad found out he went ballistic, "we dont want the farmers in Cheshire to know we grow that "
Have a job to find it here now

They have been paying farmers to sit on there arses since end of headage payments , most including me choose to carry on farming fortunately .

 

[Hilly]

Govt departments don't want you improving hill at all.

Go ahead at your own risk... especially if you claim subs

Payment on hill land is now so paltry if one could afford to make a good job of it it would pay to do it and not claim the chicken feed on offer .

 

[farmerm]

Probably best way is to find some mug/sucker/fool willing buyer and use the cash to buy some lowland

 

[JockCroft]

Lime to start with and then phosphate . Plenty of dung if you’ve got it.

Have you got a copy of the letter about ploughing peat. Came in a few weeks ago from Dept.
Quite onerous and detailed if I remember. Heavy penalties.

Cant find my copy.

 

[Nithsdale]

Payment on hill land is now so paltry if one could afford to make a good job of it it would pay to do it and not claim the chicken feed on offer .

Depends how much other ground you have and how big your sub is. They don't take a fine based on the land affected - it's a % (up to 100%) of your subsidy

 

[Hilly]

Depends how much other ground you have and how big your sub is. They don't take a fine based on the land affected - it's a % (up to 100%) of your subsidy

Can you not stop claiming on x amount of acres and then do what you like with them acres ? Say 100 acre , you would loose less than 3k more chance of making more than that if its reclaimable and reclaimed … ive a mate reclaimed 40 acre with permission region 2 but not allowed to change to region 1 but still allowed to claim region 2 which is very fair of them imo.

 

[Nithsdale]

Can you not stop claiming on x amount of acres and then do what you like with them acres ? Say 100 acre , you would loose less than 3k more chance of making more than that if its reclaimable and reclaimed …

No. Because you still claim sub so they can still fine you.


You need to claim nothing, anywhere.

 

[Hilly]

No. Because you still claim sub so they can still fine you.


You need to claim nothing, anywhere.

Or get there permission which is achievable.