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Recycling farm plastics
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Grassman
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- Location
- Derbyshire
I have a 1100 litre wheeled bin from the local council. Put what you want in it (within reason!) And they take responsibility for the waste and give the necessary paperwork. They collect t it fortnightly. Really is a good way of keeping the rubbish under control.
Gatehouse Farm
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- Location
- Kent
Grassman
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- Location
- Derbyshire
About £17 per bin per collection so mines about £440 a year. That's fortnightly.
Dan7626
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It changed him a lot, for a long time after he seemed quieter and disappeared into the background. But then he started employing yes men to do it all for him and they didn't have a clue.
It's a shame as I really enjoyed it there.
renewablejohn
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- Location
- lancs
If they do they keep quiet about it due to the tax man wanting his duty. Only heard of one scrap merchant/ recycler getting caught but then it was a large fleet of wagons he was supplying. As for cost its very cheap especially if you have solar panels already generating electric and producing fits.
- Location
- northumberland
just make a couple of frames to hang a tote bag in and fill up with plastic squash down with half ton fert bag every now n then or weight of some kind
- Location
- Leicester/England
I have had an enquiry or two from companies investigating the potential to pyrolyse plastics in to solvents for use in the chemical industry.
Green Prometheus
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They do it widely in America and Asia. I am currently in the process of starting a company, with first patent disclosure already out and in the works.
My starting niche would be recycling mixed plastics in UK farms, but I am not 100% sure if this is the best market to start my business in. I do know that plastic removal costs money, time to clean, separate and dry the plastics and often needs a baler to make it dense enough for transportation. My idea was to sell a personal recycling system (small enough to be easily transportable). This would take in mixed plastics and produce different fuels (1kg of plastic to ~0.8 liters of oils). The fuel would mostly be diesel, with some gasoline and kerosene. Fuel would have lower sulfur content that the one bought at petrol stations. I could go on and on, but I am really curious if anyone would like this kind of thing first.
Green Prometheus
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What did you tell them? =)
- Location
- Leicester/England
The plastics market is a difficult one as the clean grades have a value http://www.letsrecycle.com/prices/plastics/ depending on grade and quality. Even the lower quality stuff has a value as RDF.
For pyrolysis needing a cleaner grade of plastic to produce a cleaner grade of fuel, would need proper investigation of costs. I'm not sure with the current price of crude if this stacks up. Power generation from the fuel derived could stack up, but you will need a permit. In itself the permit is not expensive, but the emissions monitoring equipment is. You also have to bear in mind that any fuel produced would be viewed as a waste, unless it compares with a 'natural' fuel, but that's a whole different conversation.
There is mileage in this, unfortunately there's a few regulatory boxes that need ticking.....
- Location
- Leicester/England
Green Prometheus
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I see. Yeah, I will need to jump quite a few hoops. What kind of emission monitoring equipment are we talking about? Do they force you to buy something specific that's on the market? I hope they would only do testings of the system once in a while.
Green Prometheus
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Lots
=D Could anyone tell me how much plastic waste you guys are producing? I know the overall numbers, but I have no clue on how much individual farms contribute
- Location
- Leicester/England
It's called CEMS equipment and must be MCERTS accredited. The emissions monitoring equipment has to continuously monitor some parameters, whilst others are quarterly and then annually.
As you are looking to be mobile this adds an added layer of complexity. What is the throughput of the operation in kg/hr?
Green Prometheus
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Is equipment and accreditation expensive and a lengthy process?
Mobile in terms of size of the plant being easily transportable. No actual wheels on the system. Don't have a number for kg/hr operation yet
- Location
- Leicester/England
CEMS equipment for the last pyrolysis plant I permitted, under 3t/hr, was £80,000 and that was before the exchange rate altered.
Green Prometheus
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Very impressive price. Around 80 times my current estimate for the actual recycling system. I will look into making my own CEMS and getting it accredited then. Otherwise, it's a real killer
- Location
- Leicester/England
Good look with that
, I'm not sure what the MCERTS accreditation process is, but this may be of assistance http://www.csagroupuk.org/services/mcerts/mcerts-product-certification/