Red and white diesel and farming operations

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Not so much buttered as common courtesy and a respect for the posting rules of someone else’s sandpit.

oh so its ok to post, so long as its what you lot WANT, the way you WANT it to be said, and only in the way you want it to be said....mmm... that's called censorship, not common curtesy! rules are not laws! question is have i grabbed you by the throat, and smacked you round the face with a keyboard or threatened your life?....eeer NO...NO I HAVE NOT, I typed a few words, and your taking them to heart.... do you forget people are mere flesh and blood and no one is perfect? or do you think everyone should be yes/no robots these days? All i have done is respond to your reactions, to my initial post that showed anger at the government screwing up the system, not farmer not anyone else... its you lot that made it spiral into something else, and now i see good old "PASSIVE" aggression in attempt to say that's all my fault!! I just get the feeling people don't like the truth, and the truth is, you people would rather pick at me (an easy target) than the corrupt government, that sooner or later really will start screwing you over (if they haven't already that is) EVEN more, whilst your too busy poking at me, over political correctness! but hey that's your choice I suppose!

 

[R J]

oh so its ok to post, so long as its what you lot WANT, the way you WANT it to be said, and only in the way you want it to be said....mmm... that's called censorship, not common curtesy! rules are not laws! question is have i grabbed you by the throat, and smacked you round the face with a keyboard or threatened your life?....eeer NO...NO I HAVE NOT, I typed a few words, and your taking them to heart.... do you forget people are mere flesh and blood and no one is perfect? or do you think everyone should be yes/no robots these days? All i have done is respond to your reactions, to my initial post that showed anger at the government screwing up the system, not farmer not anyone else... its you lot that made it spiral into something else, and now i see good old "PASSIVE" aggression in attempt to say that's all my fault!! I just get the feeling people don't like the truth, and the truth is, you people would rather pick at me (an easy target) than the corrupt government, that sooner or later really will start screwing you over (if they haven't already that is) EVEN more, whilst your too busy poking at me, over political correctness! but hey that's your choice I suppose!

I think the worst thing about it all is that Aviation fuel (which is basically diesel ) is tax free !
Using white diesel for construction affects everyday people , But people have a choice to fly or not , This should have been the Government's first call for tax hike's ,

 

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You’re making all this fuss for 50p ? Have you not got any meaningful hobbies?

Good you’ve admitted it’s an entertainment and not anything serious though - so again I’ll ask “ why should any hobby get tax relief?”

I’m guessing you agree they shouldn’t, but the green mist of envy can’t bear others getting it if you’re not allowed.

aw bless, here we go... so a business is a hobby is it? who hasn't got respect? and what part of GOLF IS NOT A HOBBY, OR A PLEASURE CRAFT/VESSLE? you seriously missed the point didn't you...nit picking now are we?

Am i the one that said its now law that entertainment industries aren't allowed to us red diesel? .... but golf clubs and pleasure craft/vessels can? eeer NO I'm not!

Did i say Farmers shouldn't have entitlement....NO i did not.

SO green mist of envy doesn't come into it... nice try dear! red mist against fraudulent government does! if all you can do is nit pick your way around, then perhaps you should cease talking to me.... for your own sake!

And in answer yes I agree HOBBIES don't deserve tax relief (on the same note i also believe in demanding evidence taxes are actually lawful, or do you like paying taxes for the sake of it, without proof of legitimacy? or bullying others into paying said taxes, just because you do...without questioning them at all?), and nor do i think it necessary all businesses need relief, or the SAME levels of it, so to speak, but you fail to see the distinction between a hobby and business clearly, especially when its clear your distinction of a hobby is a business... a livery yard that rents space to other people (who DO have horses as a hobby) is a business and provides services ... whether you like it or not .... A person that has a stables on private land for their own use ONLY .... that is not a business, and in that respect id comprehend your complaint!

 

[Highland Mule]

I think the worst thing about it all is that Aviation fuel (which is basically diesel ) is tax free !
Using white diesel for construction affects everyday people , But people have a choice to fly or not , This should have been the Government's first call for tax hike's ,

Not many JCBs cross an international border most days and could chose to bunker fuel back home with them. AViation fuel is internationally agreed to be tax free to (amongst other reasons) avoid that sort of thing and the associated safety and environmental detriment it would bring.

 

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My first pony seemed to like tugging a "brush" made of a bundle of furze around his field to keep it tidy. He preferred to be led from his bridle rather than driven on long reins, but that wasn't a problem. I made a bodged breast girth from webbing which attached to the saddle, and rope traces from the stirrup latches to a light eighth-round fence post that I sawed to the right width for a whippletree. The "brush" attached there. If I was about 12 years old back then, he would have been about 10, so you can teach equines new activities, and don't need a specialist draught breed to carry out light work.

More up to date, and professional ~

Working Horse Centre | Hitch In Farm

A real working horse drawn farm. Offering tuition in horse drawn skills and offering horse logging services to local woodland owners.

www.hitchinfarm.co.uk

Ditch the diesel, and tone the equines?

Perhaps something to think about once HS2 has moved us....not somthing ive ever had the pleasure to try personally, and likely not at this moment in time, we can only deal with what we have the way it is before us, and how long does it take to train horses to do such? genuinely questions i will ask there, and yes actually i am interested? but if the practicality doesn't meet the environment etc, or the kinds of jobs (since horses do spook, why do you think most farmers don't use them!?!) then its things i need to discuss to find a solution that would actually work! round here and with the idiots on the roads and footpaths around here, it would be interesting to say the least....anyway got to go for now.

 

[R J]

Not many JCBs cross an international border most days and could chose to bunker fuel back home with them. AViation fuel is internationally agreed to be tax free to (amongst other reasons) avoid that sort of thing and the associated safety and environmental detriment it would bring.

Well whatever the bollox reasons they give its still a situation affecting the wrong people

 

[Highland Mule]

Well whatever the bollox reasons they give its still a situation affecting the wrong people

Sometimes the bigger picture has to take priority.

 

[R J]

Sometimes the bigger picture has to take priority.

True , but it just shows what a con it all is , Gov says white diesel is to encourage construction to go green while cheep flights may long continue ,

 

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True , but it just shows what a con it all is , Gov says white diesel is to encourage construction to go green while cheep flights may long continue ,

Oh yes do enjoy those flights!!!

 

[primmiemoo]

Perhaps something to think about once HS2 has moved us....not somthing ive ever had the pleasure to try personally, and likely not at this moment in time, we can only deal with what we have the way it is before us, and how long does it take to train horses to do such? genuinely questions i will ask there, and yes actually i am interested? but if the practicality doesn't meet the environment etc, or the kinds of jobs (since horses do spook, why do you think most farmers don't use them!?!) then its things i need to discuss to find a solution that would actually work! round here and with the idiots on the roads and footpaths around here, it would be interesting to say the least....anyway got to go for now.

Gentle training shouldn't take long, if the pony or horse has had a sound basic schooling, and the owners really are interested in their animals. Bet there are livery customers who'd welcome adjustments to fees in return for their bringing on their own equines to help earn their keep.

Farming, and life generally was powered by horses for centuries. That didn't end as a result of spooked horses.

 

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Gentle training shouldn't take long, if the pony or horse has had a sound basic schooling, and the owners really are interested in their animals. Bet there are livery customers who'd welcome adjustments to fees in return for their bringing on their own equines to help earn their keep.

Farming, and life generally was powered by horses for centuries. That didn't end as a result of spooked horses.

I wasn't meaning it was ended by spooked horses lol! I'm just saying the way people are in "this area" with cars etc it cause issues, besides the tractor and high industrial demand for produce, killed off the use of horses. My grand father, on my step mothers side used to plough with shires, we have the old photos, and so i believe, but i wasn't in the "picture" at that point, and by the time i became interested, he was no longer here to ask.

When i am referring to spooking though i am also referring to harrows, and rollers they make one hell of a racket, which means you would need a horse that is "bomb proof" to noises.... not impossible, if you have the right temperament of horse i suppose.

Do vets try regard ploughing horses as pets? if they do veterinary care cant be cheap!!! The disadvantage being a job that took a day or two would then take three or four! given horses cant operate like machines they need rest and they need breaks...which is not unreasonable, in a situation where it doesn't matter, but it is a practical issue, if time is "pushed"!

for us at present it would then require investment, unless conversion of equipment is possible, e.g. chain harrows would be very possible! roller I'm not so sure about!!! but then new stables for said horses and the time "tacking" up / equipping the problem there HS2....planning permission not possible, and given we are on clay, all year turn out also not possible, hence stables!

but thanks for the response it is dually noted for if we get a new place, because those sort of things we are thinking about at the moment, given we may choose to ditch equine given the way things are these days!!

 

[primmiemoo]

I wasn't meaning it was ended by spooked horses lol! I'm just saying the way people are in "this area" with cars etc it cause issues, besides the tractor and high industrial demand for produce, killed off the use of horses. My grand father, on my step mothers side used to plough with shires, we have the old photos, and so i believe, but i wasn't in the "picture" at that point, and by the time i became interested, he was no longer here to ask.

When i am referring to spooking though i am also referring to harrows, and rollers they make one hell of a racket, which means you would need a horse that is "bomb proof" to noises.... not impossible, if you have the right temperament of horse i suppose.

Do vets try regard ploughing horses as pets? if they do veterinary care cant be cheap!!! The disadvantage being a job that took a day or two would then take three or four! given horses cant operate like machines they need rest and they need breaks...which is not unreasonable, in a situation where it doesn't matter, but it is a practical issue, if time is "pushed"!

for us at present it would then require investment, unless conversion of equipment is possible, e.g. chain harrows would be very possible! roller I'm not so sure about!!! but then new stables for said horses and the time "tacking" up / equipping the problem there HS2....planning permission not possible, and given we are on clay, all year turn out also not possible, hence stables!

but thanks for the response it is dually noted for if we get a new place, because those sort of things we are thinking about at the moment, given we may choose to ditch equine given the way things are these days!!

Horses are generally ok with predictable noises, from experience ~ although, equally from experience, individuals can pretend they aren't when I've lost concentration.

Sounds like you have a lot of things on your plate. That HS2 debacle has so much to answer for.

It wouldn't surprise if Vets regard working horses in the same way as they do working dogs, unfortunately. On the upside, working dogs are often fitter and healthier than dogs which are solely pets, so don't need as much veterinary attention, iyswim.

 

[Daddy Pig]

Horses are generally ok with predictable noises, from experience ~ although, equally from experience, individuals can pretend they aren't when I've lost concentration.

Sounds like you have a lot of things on your plate. That HS2 debacle has so much to answer for.

It wouldn't surprise if Vets regard working horses in the same way as they do working dogs, unfortunately. On the upside, working dogs are often fitter and healthier than dogs which are solely pets, so don't need as much veterinary attention, iyswim.

Just been to a Grass Track race meeting , loads of noise there yet the horses in the next field didn't bat an eyelid

 

[Nearly]

Just been to a Grass Track race meeting , loads of noise there yet the horses in the next field didn't bat an eyelid

They can get used to anything but are known for not liking pigs, sorry.

 

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Horses are generally ok with predictable noises, from experience ~ although, equally from experience, individuals can pretend they aren't when I've lost concentration.

Sounds like you have a lot of things on your plate. That HS2 debacle has so much to answer for.

It wouldn't surprise if Vets regard working horses in the same way as they do working dogs, unfortunately. On the upside, working dogs are often fitter and healthier than dogs which are solely pets, so don't need as much veterinary attention, iyswim.

Again Thanks, there are also other issues, from experiences we have there is another issue, as much as its nice idea and liveries may enjoy the vision, the trouble here is people themselves, if you saw how some people drove on the yard, some of which can be liveries themselves (and we also have "rail and mast" men), who try treating the yard, and tracks as main roads, despite signage and bollock-ins, when your not there they will just do it anyway.... point there is one example a few years back the lady got a competition horse (given shes an instructor, its also part of her job) she brought this horse on, and she was getting very good, all that time spent training and effort nurturing, and in 5 minutes all ruined because one selfish individual decided to back a trailer into the stables, the horse was in, no apology nothing, and despite not being there (and the camera system temporarily being out of order) it couldn't be proven at the time, but we noticed who in the end, due to the EXTREME behaviour this horse showed when this one individual turned up which previously had never happened....lets put it this way...a safe and reliable horse, was turned into an absolute psychotic beast, to the point it was nearly over the door of its stable when it saw this individual, you would not have wanted to be in the same stable when they came round....and the problem there was she NEVER got over it, in the end we had to rehome it out in the middle of nowhere, luckily those that had her did manage to rehabilitate her and she's in a better place.

So perhaps you may see its not just HS2, its people and arrogance towards horses in the first place, as much as id like to try horse pulling rather than tractors, the unfortunate fact is until its in a better set up and situation i just wouldn't risk putting in months of work and money to have it ruined by some selfish .... well think you know where that goes!!!

mmm as far as vets are concerned id have to vet the vets, (don't get me wrong there are some VERY good ones out there, that DONT rip people off, but there are also some dog awful ones two) as from experience we know very well they can't all be trusted. Perhaps holistic vets would also be a way forward (just trying to find any)! but then like anything its all just commerce these days....unfortunately people only care about one thing money....and we don't mind paying money, but we want a proper service for that money, not "half a job harries" and again in this world these days there are an awful lot of those too!

 

[primmiemoo]

Again Thanks, there are also other issues, from experiences we have there is another issue, as much as its nice idea and liveries may enjoy the vision, the trouble here is people themselves, if you saw how some people drove on the yard, some of which can be liveries themselves (and we also have "rail and mast" men), who try treating the yard, and tracks as main roads, despite signage and bollock-ins, when your not there they will just do it anyway.... point there is one example a few years back the lady got a competition horse (given shes an instructor, its also part of her job) she brought this horse on, and she was getting very good, all that time spent training and effort nurturing, and in 5 minutes all ruined because one selfish individual decided to back a trailer into the stables, the horse was in, no apology nothing, and despite not being there (and the camera system temporarily being out of order) it couldn't be proven at the time, but we noticed who in the end, due to the EXTREME behaviour this horse showed when this one individual turned up which previously had never happened....lets put it this way...a safe and reliable horse, was turned into an absolute psychotic beast, to the point it was nearly over the door of its stable when it saw this individual, you would not have wanted to be in the same stable when they came round....and the problem there was she NEVER got over it, in the end we had to rehome it out in the middle of nowhere, luckily those that had her did manage to rehabilitate her and she's in a better place.

So perhaps you may see its not just HS2, its people and arrogance towards horses in the first place, as much as id like to try horse pulling rather than tractors, the unfortunate fact is until its in a better set up and situation i just wouldn't risk putting in months of work and money to have it ruined by some selfish .... well think you know where that goes!!!

mmm as far as vets are concerned id have to vet the vets, (don't get me wrong there are some VERY good ones out there, that DONT rip people off, but there are also some dog awful ones two) as from experience we know very well they can't all be trusted. Perhaps holistic vets would also be a way forward (just trying to find any)! but then like anything its all just commerce these days....unfortunately people only care about one thing money....and we don't mind paying money, but we want a proper service for that money, not "half a job harries" and again in this world these days there are an awful lot of those too!

I used to ride a rehab racehorse who'd had a RTA. Lovely mare, but not for a novice (there was a rota of riders, and I was the one on the cusp for riding her the right way). Her whisperer must have been amazing, although I never met her/him. A very difficult job to settle a traumatised horse, and I don't know the success rate.

 

[MRT]

aw bless, here we go... so a business is a hobby is it? who hasn't got respect? and what part of GOLF IS NOT A HOBBY, OR A PLEASURE CRAFT/VESSLE? you seriously missed the point didn't you...nit picking now are we?

Am i the one that said its now law that entertainment industries aren't allowed to us red diesel? .... but golf clubs and pleasure craft/vessels can? eeer NO I'm not!

Did i say Farmers shouldn't have entitlement....NO i did not.

SO green mist of envy doesn't come into it... nice try dear! red mist against fraudulent government does! if all you can do is nit pick your way around, then perhaps you should cease talking to me.... for your own sake!

And in answer yes I agree HOBBIES don't deserve tax relief (on the same note i also believe in demanding evidence taxes are actually lawful, or do you like paying taxes for the sake of it, without proof of legitimacy? or bullying others into paying said taxes, just because you do...without questioning them at all?), and nor do i think it necessary all businesses need relief, or the SAME levels of it, so to speak, but you fail to see the distinction between a hobby and business clearly, especially when its clear your distinction of a hobby is a business... a livery yard that rents space to other people (who DO have horses as a hobby) is a business and provides services ... whether you like it or not .... A person that has a stables on private land for their own use ONLY .... that is not a business, and in that respect id comprehend your complaint!

You need your caps lock confiscated.

 

[MRT]

in 5 minutes all ruined because one selfish individual decided to back a trailer into the stables, the horse was in, no apology nothing, and despite not being there (and the camera system temporarily being out of order) it couldn't be proven at the time, but we noticed who in the end, due to the EXTREME behaviour this horse showed when this one individual turned up which previously had never happened....l

You are projecting your thoughts, feelings and anxieties onto animal behaviour.

 

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You are projecting your thoughts, feelings and anxieties onto animal behaviour.

mmm and you where here where you to know that where you?.... so no... I'm not and did not project anxieties and feelings onto animal behaviour, I'm explaining what happened, THE WAY IT HAPPENED, and there's no denying it (so why even TRY talk like you think you know what happened, when you DON'T??), because to boot when the horse went nuts by the sight of their car, as well as them! perhaps you need some one to back a car in one of your horses stables, the horse in question was a youngster and a lot of time had been put into her to get her right....but hey given your profile image (and not much else to go on) i suppose that's part of your job, so i don't suppose sheep would be effected in the same way, given the size and weight comparison, unless you ride your sheep of cause! ... which may raise questions if you answer that....so unless the answer is no, id suggest perhaps you don't! don't get me wrong I'm sure sheep have their own challenges as do cattle! I'm sure plenty get killed or injured by selfish individuals causing farmers thousands in losses.... as far as the situation i describe long and short of it is you don't know, so what was that comment about?

 

[puppet]

As well as exploring all manner of horse psychology and useless vets did we ever decide if it was OK to transport farm scrap on red?