Red and white diesel and farming operations

Prices are changing so rapidly it’s hard to be exact.
As a guide I would say £0.50/litre.
Prices have been very volatile recently. Roughly 4 weeks ago road diesel was 5ppl cheaper than red around me when the different vat levels were taken off.
For many, it was putting a very sharp focus on just how thirsty a tractor is when tarmac farming.
 
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correction ... full message ... Oh ok then...SO All equine places are leisure, about right that comment, coming from shirt and tie knob jockeys, perhaps these places should let their hedges grow f**king wild, let weeds run through the fields allow poisonous plants everywhere, as well as f**k the fencing, and oh and fields cause they dont need rolling or harrowing, oh yes please do laugh away... since, "naa"... equine don't own fields do they, or grow their own hay/haylage...THAT REQUIRE FARM MACHINERY....BUT ITS OK FOR GOLF CLUBS....Do F**K OFF HMRC!! sure equine is BASED on leisure but it doesn't mean it leisure for the people that own the small holds, and given the constant attacks from government on such over the years meaning less and less is made, i get a funny feeling it wont just be farmers suicide rates increasing... but what should we expect from a bunch of city dwelling pen pushing c0ckwambles other than "not our job to care mate, we just want taxes"....anyone ever tell those d**kheads they could just one day push just one button two many?! oh what else? perhaps all those non important small holds that happen to be equine or other excluded industry, should tell government and council to go F**k themselves with a chain saw up the arse, when they want our help, are you people still believing all this is about saving the climate? oh and as for Global warming my hairy backside....more like corporate greed and geoengineering SAI SOAR! does some D*ck head in HMRC want to sharpen their pencil....orders are not laws, regulations are not laws, neither legislation... and even ACTS, unless they wish to provide MATERIAL evidence (not just a web page "statement") of the consent of the governed!! lets face it they say they consulted....funny this "we" as a small hold never heard a F**king peep ... suppose most will just sit back as usual and let them commit this fraud/treason! ... suppose that's the only reason they let farmers off, since farmers wouldn't accept such!.... oh hang on do football stadiums get let off two? ... cause that wouldn't surprise me much!?
 

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correction ... full message ... Oh ok then...SO All equine places are leisure, about right that comment, coming from shirt and tie knob jockeys, perhaps these places should let their hedges grow f**king wild, let weeds run through the fields allow poisonous plants everywhere, as well as f**k the fencing, and oh and fields cause they dont need rolling or harrowing, oh yes please do laugh away... since, "naa"... equine don't own fields do they, or grow their own hay/haylage...THAT REQUIRE FARM MACHINERY....BUT ITS OK FOR GOLF CLUBS....Do F**K OFF HMRC!! sure equine is BASED on leisure but it doesn't mean it leisure for the people that own the small holds, and given the constant attacks from government on such over the years meaning less and less is made, i get a funny feeling it wont just be farmers suicide rates increasing... but what should we expect from a bunch of city dwelling pen pushing c0ckwambles other than "not our job to care mate, we just want taxes"....anyone ever tell those d**kheads they could just one day push just one button two many?! oh what else? perhaps all those non important small holds that happen to be equine or other excluded industry, should tell government and council to go F**k themselves with a chain saw up the arse, when they want our help, are you people still believing all this is about saving the climate? oh and as for Global warming my hairy backside....more like corporate greed and geoengineering SAI SOAR! does some D*ck head in HMRC want to sharpen their pencil....orders are not laws, regulations are not laws, neither legislation... and even ACTS, unless they wish to provide MATERIAL evidence (not just a web page "statement") of the consent of the governed!! lets face it they say they consulted....funny this "we" as a small hold never heard a F**king peep ... suppose most will just sit back as usual and let them commit this fraud/treason! ... suppose that's the only reason they let farmers off, since farmers wouldn't accept such!.... oh hang on do football stadiums get let off two? ... cause that wouldn't surprise me much!?
Stop beating about the bush, tell us what you really think.
 

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Stop beating about the bush, tell us what you really think.
oh ok in that instance, the government are lying two faced W**kstains, funny how the "order" is signed off by a department and not even dated, funny that false signatures, isnt that fraud!! and a fraudulent order that relies on placing REGULATION around existing acts, doesn't make law, as far as I'm aware, wonder how many have trotted over to take a look at these SUPPOSED laws? and read them through! .... i mean the only reason they want to allow golf clubs the right to use red diesel is incase they attend and cant find their balls, because their bushes are too big, and the grass too thick!! that said they will be looking for some time where balls are concerned!
 

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HEY GUESS WHAT under their own "acts" :
  • “agricultural land” means land used as arable, meadow or grazing land, or for the purpose of poultry farming, pig farming, market gardens, allotments, nursery grounds or orchards; and
  • “livestock” means cattle, sheep, goats, swine, horses, or poultry, and for the purposes of this definition “cattle” means bulls, cows, oxen, heifers or calves, “horses” includes asses and mules, and “poultry” means domestic fowls, turkeys, geese or ducks.

SO PLEASE TELL ME WHERE HMRC GET OFF CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF WHAT LIVESTOCK AND AGRICULTURAL LAND IS....IS THAT NOT YET MORE FRAUD?
 

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Funny how a new member all ways goes of on one , !!!
did you actually stop to think perhaps there is a REAL reason to... industrial espionage (forcing people to buy into "green tech" that aint so green), fraud (hiking taxes, when the fuel industries already reported SICK profits, and misrepresentation of Law) and even possible treason (the fact they keep trying it on because people like you don't and wont do anything other than mock "new members"), aren't exactly reasons to not go off on one, especially when it comes from the government that is supposed to represent you. Perhaps if you allow it to go on, you continue to mock people for speaking up now, just because they are "new", when you get your own way and silence those views, and those people have all gone away, and then the government turn on you and yours .... which they will...eventually, you'll realise perhaps you should have done something NOW and paid attention instead of carrying on with the "not my problem mate" line. You don't need to do much other than take a pen and demand Material evidence of Law, and if they fail, file for compensation for the fore said and demand they "back off"...or if you cant be arsed put pressure on Your MP (if you must insist on trusting them)!!! Anger is not a crime, its controlling it and focusing it into something useful, which ALWAYS starts by getting things OFF your chest! so please do excuse me! since that's all i did, vent... did I physically hurt anyone...with a few words on a computer screen, that people can ignore?...or would you rather i did hurt some one physically, and really go off on one? Pointing out possible fraudulent behaviour is not a crime (albeit i could have done it better), however last time i checked committing fraud was!
 

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correction ... full message ... Oh ok then...SO All equine places are leisure, about right that comment, coming from shirt and tie knob jockeys, perhaps these places should let their hedges grow f**king wild, let weeds run through the fields allow poisonous plants everywhere, as well as f**k the fencing, and oh and fields cause they dont need rolling or harrowing, oh yes please do laugh away... since, "naa"... equine don't own fields do they, or grow their own hay/haylage...THAT REQUIRE FARM MACHINERY....BUT ITS OK FOR GOLF CLUBS....Do F**K OFF HMRC!! sure equine is BASED on leisure but it doesn't mean it leisure for the people that own the small holds, and given the constant attacks from government on such over the years meaning less and less is made, i get a funny feeling it wont just be farmers suicide rates increasing... but what should we expect from a bunch of city dwelling pen pushing c0ckwambles other than "not our job to care mate, we just want taxes"....anyone ever tell those d**kheads they could just one day push just one button two many?! oh what else? perhaps all those non important small holds that happen to be equine or other excluded industry, should tell government and council to go F**k themselves with a chain saw up the arse, when they want our help, are you people still believing all this is about saving the climate? oh and as for Global warming my hairy backside....more like corporate greed and geoengineering SAI SOAR! does some D*ck head in HMRC want to sharpen their pencil....orders are not laws, regulations are not laws, neither legislation... and even ACTS, unless they wish to provide MATERIAL evidence (not just a web page "statement") of the consent of the governed!! lets face it they say they consulted....funny this "we" as a small hold never heard a F**king peep ... suppose most will just sit back as usual and let them commit this fraud/treason! ... suppose that's the only reason they let farmers off, since farmers wouldn't accept such!.... oh hang on do football stadiums get let off two? ... cause that wouldn't surprise me much!?

I think you’ve misunderstood the rules, not all horses are kept for leisure. The red diesel rules only don’t apply for animals kept for leisure or sport ie horses, pheasants etc may fall into this category. This isn’t anything new it has always been the case.
 

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I think you’ve misunderstood the rules, not all horses are kept for leisure. The red diesel rules only don’t apply for animals kept for leisure or sport ie horses, pheasants etc may fall into this category. This isn’t anything new it has always been the case.
mmm not sure I have completely, may be in part, and some say HMRC are supposedly clear in their "rules", are they, cos at the moment I'm not seeing clarity being displayed! so in your interpretation what do you think the "rules" mean? do you think it fair if a horse yard that has GRAZING land which IS agricultural, and has to maintain those fields, (in order to supply grazing for their customers, or grow their own hay haylage to remain self sustaining as much as possible at least) to make them non accepted (id understand if they placed a limit, it cant be claimed they/we use such machines on the same level as farmers, not in a million!!! but they are used and there should be some entitlement ...even if limited)....however some yards do like to do things themselves or as much as possible, and not all have lots of staff to help so machinery is not an option, and the only way to keep outgoings down, enough to even have a business, unless you have partners on hundreds of thousands working for some pen pushing corporation, because despite false interpretation not all horse yards are in affluent areas, or cashed up to the eyeballs, they might have been at one time but not these days, certainly their customers may be, but that doesn't automatically mean the people who own the yards are, its a bit like having the same the assumption with farmers when half are in debt to the eyeballs, and then screwed over by milking companies/supermarkets etc, and it makes it all the more worse for said types of horse yard when others stem from being built out of diversity loans, typically seen where farmers decide to try and cash in on that as well (not that you can blame them when they are being screwed over by the corporations they have been supplying for years, and they get shafted because said corporation says "oops sorry mate we've gone bust, we cant possibly pay you" leaving farmers high and dry whilst the corporations file for bankruptcy yet manage to some how keep all their business and tidy profits with no help from the government PLC!!! or at least should i say, I'm guessing on the basis of farmers we have spoken to over the years! suppose that depends on how you want to look at it really though, and i wouldn't dare blame farmers or anyone else for taking those loans in order to survive, that's down to the government plc in my opinion! some horse yards where created before diversity loans even existed, and guess what ours is one of them, and guess what else they want to run a stupid f**king pointless rail line called HS2 through it to boot....so I'm sorry if some don't get why I'm a little pee'd of at those Shirt and tie W*nkstains in London, because we in recent years have had more than our fair share of cr*p one way or another, and most is government or council involved! ...and this,... is just like icing on the cake for those d*ckheads! thing is it don't just effect us, and second to that I am trying to keep a lid on it, because all this is about greed of the corporation in general!). So what are the "rules" surrounding Horses and Livery Yards WITH AGRICULTURAL LAND? do you actually know? I can at least comprehend that if one person owns 1 or 2 horses on their own private dwelling that's one thing, but where do the actual business stand that need the use of said diesel, because from what i see that is not clear in the slightest. and the fact HMRC have been said to claim horses aren't included as livestock when they are described in other ACTs as livestock, still looks fraudulent to me!
 

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mmm not sure I have completely, may be in part, and some say HMRC are supposedly clear in their "rules", are they, cos at the moment I'm not seeing clarity being displayed! so in your interpretation what do you think the "rules" mean? do you think it fair if a horse yard that has GRAZING land which IS agricultural, and has to maintain those fields, (in order to supply grazing for their customers, or grow their own hay haylage to remain self sustaining as much as possible at least) to make them non accepted (id understand if they placed a limit, it cant be claimed they/we use such machines on the same level as farmers, not in a million!!! but they are used and there should be some entitlement ...even if limited)....however some yards do like to do things themselves or as much as possible, and not all have lots of staff to help so machinery is not an option, and the only way to keep outgoings down, enough to even have a business, unless you have partners on hundreds of thousands working for some pen pushing corporation, because despite false interpretation not all horse yards are in affluent areas, or cashed up to the eyeballs, they might have been at one time but not these days, certainly their customers may be, but that doesn't automatically mean the people who own the yards are, its a bit like having the same the assumption with farmers when half are in debt to the eyeballs, and then screwed over by milking companies/supermarkets etc, and it makes it all the more worse for said types of horse yard when others stem from being built out of diversity loans, typically seen where farmers decide to try and cash in on that as well (not that you can blame them when they are being screwed over by the corporations they have been supplying for years, and they get shafted because said corporation says "oops sorry mate we've gone bust, we cant possibly pay you" leaving farmers high and dry whilst the corporations file for bankruptcy yet manage to some how keep all their business and tidy profits with no help from the government PLC!!! or at least should i say, I'm guessing on the basis of farmers we have spoken to over the years! suppose that depends on how you want to look at it really though, and i wouldn't dare blame farmers or anyone else for taking those loans in order to survive, that's down to the government plc in my opinion! some horse yards where created before diversity loans even existed, and guess what ours is one of them, and guess what else they want to run a stupid f**king pointless rail line called HS2 through it to boot....so I'm sorry if some don't get why I'm a little pee'd of at those Shirt and tie W*nkstains in London, because we in recent years have had more than our fair share of cr*p one way or another, and most is government or council involved! ...and this,... is just like icing on the cake for those d*ckheads! thing is it don't just effect us, and second to that I am trying to keep a lid on it, because all this is about greed of the corporation in general!). So what are the "rules" surrounding Horses and Livery Yards WITH AGRICULTURAL LAND? do you actually know? I can at least comprehend that if one person owns 1 or 2 horses on their own private dwelling that's one thing, but where do the actual business stand that need the use of said diesel, because from what i see that is not clear in the slightest. and the fact HMRC have been said to claim horses aren't included as livestock when they are described in other ACTs as livestock, still looks fraudulent to me!

So to summarise, you’re running a livery yard.
This:-
Activities not accepted as falling within the definition of agriculture, horticulture or forestry include:

  • the breeding, rearing or keeping of any creature solely for purposes relating to sport or recreation

  • is the extract from the relevant legislation that says you can’t use red diesel for your business.
 

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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