Red and white diesel and farming operations

[primmiemoo]

Maybe livery owners have forgotten about horse power and horsedrawn equipment? There's a lovely photo of a horsedrawn baler somewhere here in TFF.

 

[R J]

1500 litres this arvo, white diesel, we don’t have “red”, or any fuel SPECIFICALLY for “agriculture”
Last time I did the comparison, your “on farm” costs for diesel were lower than ours . . .
talk about “unfair advantages”
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How much is white diesel with you Roy ?

 

[Doing it for the kids]

How much is white diesel with you Roy ?

And an acre of land!?

 

[Nearly]

How much is white diesel with you Roy ?

And an acre of land!?

And a plane ticket?

 

[Wellytrack]

mmm....ok if you say so!



I really am beginning to see why in general there is no unity AT ALL between farmers and equine AT ALL with the comments i've witnessed on this page, oh im not saying the sun shines out of my arse by all means... both have a responsibility to look after the country side, both have agricultural land and rely on the same tools for A JOB, and lets be clear im refering to YARDS.... NOT LIVERY INDIVIDUALS....AND THAT IS NOT SELFISH BECAUSE IM REFERRING TO BUSINESS USE....one little point a lot of arrogant dip sh1ts here seem to be missing! And NO I don't have an answer for everything, and if it appears i do , then its called experience from DIFFERENT backgrounds not just ONE, doesn't mean i know EVERYTHING, but then why are you even going to listen with comments like that! So perhaps you should pull your head out of your own arse, you might actually see more.....you might realise some in the world don't get the chance or choice in one job for their entire life these days, which means they end up with a Varied experience and outlook on life, and its also called reading pages and trying to make head nor tail of WTF is actually going on!

and in answer to your question .... if the stables in an awkward place how do you think you would deal with it? because the likely hood is it aint going to be all that much different if its in an awkward place. Rope-tractor-and-carefully pull it out, especially if the removal people cant get in there, but then that's why small tractors are useful, they can get places big yankie tractors cant!.... but that's an entirely different conversation in itself! You may not like what i have to say, or the way i say it, and i am sorry but I don't care, because i cant be arsed fluffing it up all nicey nice, and i can only talk from the experiences i have witnessed and been a part of!

are you saying its ok to ban Livery BUSINESSES, yet its ok for GOLF courses and pleasure vessels/craft? DOES THE QUEEN get to ue diesel for HMS pleasure cruise vessels and her own, do rich business men also get away with it, red dieseling off to foreign destinations, to fancy yacht clubs and shows? do pleasure cruisers get to continue trotting round the globe on such? they are all pleasure in the end!? like i said originally i would have understood a LIMIT, that would have made sense, given equine don't use tractors etc on the SAME level as farmers, they don't need to. but a complete ban, given golf clubs and social event, and even TRACTOR PULLING RALLIES which is also entertainment (recently overturned!) aswell as the for mentioned possibilities....are allowed to continue the use!? and your having a go at me? really! and your calling me selfish...WRONG....you either treat all entertainment and leisure the SAME (which in a fashion despite the increased cost i could live with) or you stir problems by favouritism which is what i am seeing! Nobody including me is saying farmers shouldn't get to use it, and i have considered alternate, but research tells me HVO and bio, isn't all these companies make out it is.....again profit and greed!

You seem like such a nice calm and reasonable person.

 

[stop accepting!]

I skipped the lot as soon as you mentioned arrogant dip sh1ts, if you can't keep it civil don't bother.

oh but its ok for you lot is it? ... don't worry I aint bothered!

 

[fieldfarmer]

oh but its ok for you lot is it? ... don't worry I aint bothered!

Show me where I've even posted on this thread before please, sadly your attitude will mean lots won't bother to help your case.

 

[Kidds]

sounds like he needs to be on mums net

Only guessing but I'd say you assumed the wrong gender.

 

[Farmer Roy]

How much is white diesel with you Roy ?

diesel today is around $2.07 / l
AFTER we buy it, we can claim back an “eligible off road” rebate of 22 c, when we do our BAS ( like your VAT ) This rebate is for any eligible off road use, including agriculture, mining, forestry, fishing, electricity generation etc etc.
So, on todays exchange rate, that works out at £1.05 / l in farm equipment
Agriculture doesn’t get any special treatment compared to anyone else using fuel off road. As it should be . . .
the rebate we claim is the equivalent of the “road tax” portion of the price / litre

 

[glasshouse]

This is just another stealth tax that consumers will be paying. Everything from a bag of gravel to a new house will cost consumers more. It's a nonsense. The theft of diesel from plant will be a big issue and will be totally untraceable.

And they wonder why inflation is up

 

[ollie989898]

Read the thread, and I can fully say that if it was me I would give up and buy the white and avoid all this grief.

 

[R J]

ONE MORE PROBLEM PEOPLE SEEM TO OVERLOOK its all well and good saying red diesel theft may go up, but if businesses have to go to white diesel which IS far more untraceable and expensive, and people are forced to store that instead, who do you think people will rob? those with the red diesel that takes effort to steel and carries risk of being caught, or those with white diesel, that doesnt require any work after being stolen?

the only alternative to avoid this is to go to a garage every 5 minutes in a car, and contribute to fuel stations having shortages, and pollution in general isn't it? is that not a bit backwards, and using fuel every 5 minutes to get fuel!!! but if you cant store or get more than 30ltrs at a time, how many garages and trips would people have to take just to do some work?

How much diesel do you use yearly ?

 

[yellow belly]

diesel today is around $2.07 / l
AFTER we buy it, we can claim back an “eligible off road” rebate of 22 c, when we do our BAS ( like your VAT ) This rebate is for any eligible off road use, including agriculture, mining, forestry, fishing, electricity generation etc etc.
So, on todays exchange rate, that works out at £1.05 / l in farm equipment
Agriculture doesn’t get any special treatment compared to anyone else using fuel off road. As it should be . . .
the rebate we claim is the equivalent of the “road tax” portion of the price / litre

About the same as red here which has 10p per litre in tax on it

 

[primmiemoo]

My first pony seemed to like tugging a "brush" made of a bundle of furze around his field to keep it tidy. He preferred to be led from his bridle rather than driven on long reins, but that wasn't a problem. I made a bodged breast girth from webbing which attached to the saddle, and rope traces from the stirrup latches to a light eighth-round fence post that I sawed to the right width for a whippletree. The "brush" attached there. If I was about 12 years old back then, he would have been about 10, so you can teach equines new activities, and don't need a specialist draught breed to carry out light work.

More up to date, and professional ~

Working Horse Centre | Hitch In Farm

A real working horse drawn farm. Offering tuition in horse drawn skills and offering horse logging services to local woodland owners.

www.hitchinfarm.co.uk

Ditch the diesel, and tone the equines?

 

[stop accepting!]

How much diesel do you use yearly ?

Ill bet its probably Less than a ploughing match uses in a day! lets put it this way we don't fill up ours more than one every couple of years, and even then its around half a tank at a time at most... which is why as much as it angers me when corrupt politicians make new rules that make no sense, that prejudice one side of the entertainments industry for another.... when in actual fact in the end we still have fields and certain jobs that are no different, granted not the same, the fact is for what we use we will likely survive, because we are resilient.

 

[stop accepting!]

Show me where I've even posted on this thread before please, sadly your attitude will mean lots won't bother to help your case.

oh so you want everything buttered up and politically correct do you? ... doesn't matter much to me whether you do or don't care, but when others on this page which is probably where i incorrectly typed "your kind" decide to get abusive and brand people of the horse industry all the same, when i never even started on them ....personally.... and and the nerve to sit and say its all my fault.... i got news for you, if you dont want that kind of response... dont encourage it in the first place.... then there wont be a problem...

 

[Highland Mule]

Ill bet its probably Less than a ploughing match uses in a day! lets put it this way we don't fill up ours more than one every couple of years, and even then its around half a tank at a time at most... which is why as much as it angers me when corrupt politicians make new rules that make no sense, that prejudice one side of the entertainments industry for another.... when in actual fact in the end we still have fields and certain jobs that are no different, granted not the same, the fact is for what we use we will likely survive, because we are resilient.

You’re making all this fuss for 50p ? Have you not got any meaningful hobbies?

Good you’ve admitted it’s an entertainment and not anything serious though - so again I’ll ask “ why should any hobby get tax relief?”

I’m guessing you agree they shouldn’t, but the green mist of envy can’t bear others getting it if you’re not allowed.

 

[Highland Mule]

oh so you want everything buttered up and politically correct do you? ... doesn't matter much to me whether you do or don't care, but when others on this page which is probably where i incorrectly typed "your kind" decide to get abusive and brand people of the horse industry all the same, when i never even started on them ....personally.... and and the nerve to sit and say its all my fault.... i got news for you, if you dont want that kind of response... dont encourage it in the first place.... then there wont be a problem...

Not so much buttered as common courtesy and a respect for the posting rules of someone else’s sandpit.

 

[fieldfarmer]

oh so you want everything buttered up and politically correct do you? ... doesn't matter much to me whether you do or don't care, but when others on this page which is probably where i incorrectly typed "your kind" decide to get abusive and brand people of the horse industry all the same, when i never even started on them ....personally.... and and the nerve to sit and say its all my fault.... i got news for you, if you dont want that kind of response... dont encourage it in the first place.... then there wont be a problem...

OK then, show me where I encouraged it then,?

 

[stop accepting!]

OK then, show me where I encouraged it then,?

I was talking in general not just you, and the end is a general, perhaps try not taking everything SOOO literally! and actually you are encouraging it now by carrying on! good bye