Forums
New posts
Forum list
Search forums
What's new
New posts
New resources
Latest activity
Trending Threads
Resources
Latest reviews
Search resources
FarmTV
Farm Compare
Search
Tokens/Searches
Calendar
Upcoming Events
Members
Registered members
Current visitors
New Resources
New posts
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Forum list
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Navigation
Install the app
Install
More options
Contact us
Close Menu
Forums
Farm Business
Agricultural Matters
Red and white diesel and farming operations
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="stop accepting!" data-source="post: 8155409" data-attributes="member: 169714"><p>mmm not sure I have completely, may be in part, and some say HMRC are supposedly clear in their "rules", are they, cos at the moment I'm not seeing clarity being displayed! so in your interpretation what do you think the "rules" mean? do you think it fair if a horse yard that has GRAZING land which IS agricultural, and has to maintain those fields, <em>(in order to supply grazing for their customers, or grow their own hay haylage to remain self sustaining as much as possible at least) to make them non accepted (id understand if they placed a limit, it cant be claimed they/we use such machines on the same level as farmers, not in a million!!! but they are used and there should be some entitlement ...even if limited)</em>....however some yards do like to do things themselves or as much as possible, and not all have lots of staff to help so machinery is not an option, and the only way to keep outgoings down, enough to even have a business, unless you have partners on hundreds of thousands working for some pen pushing corporation, because despite false interpretation not all horse yards are in affluent areas, or cashed up to the eyeballs, they might have been at one time but not these days, certainly their customers may be, but that doesn't automatically mean the people who own the yards are, its a bit like having the same the assumption with farmers when half are in debt to the eyeballs, and then screwed over by milking companies/supermarkets etc, and it makes it all the more worse for said types of horse yard when others stem from being built out of diversity loans, typically seen where farmers decide to try and cash in on that as well <em>(<u>not that you can blame them</u> when they are being screwed over by the corporations they have been supplying for years, and they get shafted because said corporation says "oops sorry mate we've gone bust, we cant possibly pay you" leaving farmers high and dry whilst the corporations file for bankruptcy yet manage to some how keep all their business and tidy profits with no help from the government PLC!!! or at least should i say, I'm guessing on the basis of farmers we have spoken to over the years! suppose that depends on how you want to look at it really though, and i wouldn't dare blame farmers or anyone else for taking those loans in order to survive, that's down to the government plc in my opinion! some horse yards where created before diversity loans even existed, and guess what ours is one of them, and guess what else they want to run a stupid f**king pointless rail line called HS2 through it to boot....so I'm sorry if some don't get why I'm a little pee'd of at those Shirt and tie W*nkstains in London, because we in recent years have had more than our fair share of cr*p one way or another, and most is government or council involved! ...and this,... is just like icing on the cake for those d*ckheads! thing is it don't just effect us, and second to that I am trying to keep a lid on it, because all this is about greed of the corporation in general!). </em>So what are the "rules" surrounding Horses and Livery Yards WITH AGRICULTURAL LAND? do you actually know? I can at least comprehend that if one person owns 1 or 2 horses on their own private dwelling that's one thing, but where do the actual business stand that need the use of said diesel, because from what i see that is not clear in the slightest. and the fact HMRC have been said to claim horses aren't included as livestock when they are described in other ACTs as livestock, still looks fraudulent to me!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stop accepting!, post: 8155409, member: 169714"] mmm not sure I have completely, may be in part, and some say HMRC are supposedly clear in their "rules", are they, cos at the moment I'm not seeing clarity being displayed! so in your interpretation what do you think the "rules" mean? do you think it fair if a horse yard that has GRAZING land which IS agricultural, and has to maintain those fields, [I](in order to supply grazing for their customers, or grow their own hay haylage to remain self sustaining as much as possible at least) to make them non accepted (id understand if they placed a limit, it cant be claimed they/we use such machines on the same level as farmers, not in a million!!! but they are used and there should be some entitlement ...even if limited)[/I]....however some yards do like to do things themselves or as much as possible, and not all have lots of staff to help so machinery is not an option, and the only way to keep outgoings down, enough to even have a business, unless you have partners on hundreds of thousands working for some pen pushing corporation, because despite false interpretation not all horse yards are in affluent areas, or cashed up to the eyeballs, they might have been at one time but not these days, certainly their customers may be, but that doesn't automatically mean the people who own the yards are, its a bit like having the same the assumption with farmers when half are in debt to the eyeballs, and then screwed over by milking companies/supermarkets etc, and it makes it all the more worse for said types of horse yard when others stem from being built out of diversity loans, typically seen where farmers decide to try and cash in on that as well [I]([U]not that you can blame them[/U] when they are being screwed over by the corporations they have been supplying for years, and they get shafted because said corporation says "oops sorry mate we've gone bust, we cant possibly pay you" leaving farmers high and dry whilst the corporations file for bankruptcy yet manage to some how keep all their business and tidy profits with no help from the government PLC!!! or at least should i say, I'm guessing on the basis of farmers we have spoken to over the years! suppose that depends on how you want to look at it really though, and i wouldn't dare blame farmers or anyone else for taking those loans in order to survive, that's down to the government plc in my opinion! some horse yards where created before diversity loans even existed, and guess what ours is one of them, and guess what else they want to run a stupid f**king pointless rail line called HS2 through it to boot....so I'm sorry if some don't get why I'm a little pee'd of at those Shirt and tie W*nkstains in London, because we in recent years have had more than our fair share of cr*p one way or another, and most is government or council involved! ...and this,... is just like icing on the cake for those d*ckheads! thing is it don't just effect us, and second to that I am trying to keep a lid on it, because all this is about greed of the corporation in general!). [/I]So what are the "rules" surrounding Horses and Livery Yards WITH AGRICULTURAL LAND? do you actually know? I can at least comprehend that if one person owns 1 or 2 horses on their own private dwelling that's one thing, but where do the actual business stand that need the use of said diesel, because from what i see that is not clear in the slightest. and the fact HMRC have been said to claim horses aren't included as livestock when they are described in other ACTs as livestock, still looks fraudulent to me! [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Farm Business
Agricultural Matters
Red and white diesel and farming operations
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top