Red diesel fraud

[Chuckie]

Surely it would be better to get rid of rebated fuel.
Just have a refund system where we send invoices in from registered fuel suppliers.

But that would also be open to abuse? Buy the fuel, claim the rebate, then sell it on......

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

Why does the Mafia make an example of someone who crosses them?

Because when you're running a racket you want your marks to pay up quietly without you having to do too much. You want voluntary compliance with your demands. So people who cross you get worse treatment than those who merely break the laws of society, pour encourager les autres.

Once you start regarding the State as the ultimate protection racket you see it for what it is, and begin to understand the need to avoid its tender ministrations as much as possible.

Very well put

 

[sleepy]

Surely it would be better to get rid of rebated fuel.
Just have a refund system where we send invoices in from registered fuel suppliers.

And you would really trust farmers to not just fill up their trucks with the same stuff they had claimed the rebate on?

 

[Cowcalf]

Surely it would be better to get rid of rebated fuel.
Just have a refund system where we send invoices in from registered fuel suppliers.

how much intelligence would it take for someone in agriculture to be reselling the derv and reclaiming ag refund ???????????

 

[smcapstick]

Biggest question to me is at 72years old what was he saving up for !!

Anyone other than a farmer of that age would be described by a paper as "pensioner". Or "retired"

Cocaine and call girls, I guess?

 

[Grassman]

Yes I understand that it would be subject to abuse but as Wombat says this system is used already. They must have a way of controlling abuse of that system.

 

[TheTallGuy]

Whatever scheme is put in place will be open to abuse, by having red diesel it makes it possible HMRC to dip your tank and catch you out. Besides which, paying double for the fuel and then waiting for a refund would badly hit many farmers cash flow.

 

[Irish Bob]

The rebated / lower taxed fuel is marked, in this case with red dye, this way it can be tracked. Being able to claim some of the duty back on clear diesel would be a free for all as it would be impossible to trace it and it could be sold on and used for non agricultural use.

 

[Brisel]

How did the gang remove the red dye?

The consortium of buyers in Louth refers to a large farmer buying group...

 

[nick...]

Remember seeing a documentary about the ira years ago and they were allegedly making white diesel out of red and the secret ingrediant was fullers earth or what we know as cat litter.red was filtered through this and it removed the dye.was only discovered by the large amounts being purchased.under cut fuel suppliers and made a packet
Nick...

 

[Exfarmer]

Cocaine and call girls, I guess?

Being retired can you think of something better

 

[TheTallGuy]

The fullers earth approach used to work, but as I understand it things have moved on and there are newer additives that are much harder to filter out. Besides which, VOSA/HMRC etc can (and do) test it - it is possible to detect both the dye and other additives down to just a few parts per million. A big issue with the fullers earth approach is that it generally contains bentonite and/or other volcanic ash grits, that if not properly filtered after the dye removal process out they can wreck diesel engines - especially modern ones.

 

[simon-0116]

Pillow case full of a certain sand dust mix allegedly works, but now they can test even if dye is removed to see if it's red

 

[Wombat]

The rebated / lower taxed fuel is marked, in this case with red dye, this way it can be tracked. Being able to claim some of the duty back on clear diesel would be a free for all as it would be impossible to trace it and it could be sold on and used for non agricultural use.

Do you think the Germans and Swiss would run something as a free for all

I don't

 

[Will 1594]

@Nearly can you remember the diesel laundering wakefield way on , and the semtex job

 

[Nearly]

No, I was just pulling tits at home then.

 

[TheTallGuy]

Do you think the Germans and Swiss would run something as a free for all

I don't

Germany and Switzerland are different in that society is generally more "correct" and less likely to commit such frauds. They also have better civil services that are better joining the dots together to spot fraud. As it happens you can buy red/yellow diesel in Germany for "heating" & you are less likely to have your tanks dipped, but if you do get caught you face a much stiffer judicial system.