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<blockquote data-quote="Brisel" data-source="post: 7452801" data-attributes="member: 166"><p><em>The other thread seems to have lost the plot, so I've started another ( Got to keep up the pressure ).</em></p><p><em>OK. I get traceability. I get safe produce. I get safe storage. I get cleanliness. I even get having my moisture meter tested, although the merchants pay by what <strong><em>their</em></strong> meter says ( Do they calibrate theirs ? ).</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>But.....in the interests of food safety....</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Why do I need to show a soil analysis ? <strong>To prove you've obeyed the law to have it done at least once every 5 years</strong></em></p><p><em>Why do I need to show an invoice for purchased fertiliser ? <strong>Traceability, especially for AN</strong></em></p><p><em>Why do I need an emergency / disaster plan ? <strong>To prove that you've thought of such contingencies</strong></em></p><p><em>Why do I need to show seed treatment records ? <strong>It's a pesticide treatment </strong></em></p><p><em>" " Show a pic of where seed is stored ? <strong>Really? Probably to prove it's not containing stored grain </strong></em></p><p><em>" " Drier maintenance records ? <strong>Measures to minimise the risk of fuel contamination of the grain</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Drier fuel purchase records ?<strong> I didn't have to do this last time. To prove a recognised grade of fuel, not used chip fat</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Waste transfer notes ? <strong>Paper trail to say you didn't burn it all Nov 5th</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Calibration records for fert spreaders ? <strong>Fertiliser can pollute the environment and expect further legislation on this in the Environment Bill </strong></em></p><p><em>" " Show a pic of my fert spreader ? <strong>New one on me. Usually done as part of the tray test here anyway. </strong></em></p><p><em>" " Agronomists certificates ? ( Happy to provide their numbers, but this hints at we're liars ) <strong>Used to be just the BASIS & FACTS numbers, to prove current competence</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Farm pollution risk assessment ? <strong>Risk assessments are part of normal H&S. This is just an environmental one</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Crop inspection records ? <strong>News to me. The agronomist usually writes sheets but has done it verbally lately. I'd better get a paper trail in place...</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Records of weeds / pests / diseases ? <strong>Will be on the crop inspection records and spray rec sheets</strong></em></p><p><em>" " Soil management plan ? <strong>This used to be part of cross compliance and is coming back now.</strong></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>What has the above got to do with food safety / traceability ? Way outside RT remit. Severe mission creep.</em></p><p></p><p>[USER=6448]@7610 super q[/USER] Excuse the butchering of quotes etc, but this way seemed cleanest.</p><p></p><p>It's about documented proof of compliance and good practice. Drier/machinery & seed storage, crop inspection, training & agronomist records help with food safety angle. Much of the rest is part of having a paper trail for environmental risks. All other businesses that deal with working outside have them too. Grain merchants have to show calibration records for moisture meters too (I do commercial grain storage too & have just had a UFAS inspection).</p><p></p><p>Yes, it's patronising and I told the RT consultation this too. It is not far from what other industries have to do to satisfy their parasites. That doesn't make it right, but it does show that we're not alone. </p><p></p><p>I'm not a RT fan nor an inspector, for the record.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brisel, post: 7452801, member: 166"] [I]The other thread seems to have lost the plot, so I've started another ( Got to keep up the pressure ). OK. I get traceability. I get safe produce. I get safe storage. I get cleanliness. I even get having my moisture meter tested, although the merchants pay by what [B][I]their[/I][/B] meter says ( Do they calibrate theirs ? ). But.....in the interests of food safety.... Why do I need to show a soil analysis ? [B]To prove you've obeyed the law to have it done at least once every 5 years[/B] Why do I need to show an invoice for purchased fertiliser ? [B]Traceability, especially for AN[/B] Why do I need an emergency / disaster plan ? [B]To prove that you've thought of such contingencies[/B] Why do I need to show seed treatment records ? [B]It's a pesticide treatment [/B] " " Show a pic of where seed is stored ? [B]Really? Probably to prove it's not containing stored grain [/B] " " Drier maintenance records ? [B]Measures to minimise the risk of fuel contamination of the grain[/B] " " Drier fuel purchase records ?[B] I didn't have to do this last time. To prove a recognised grade of fuel, not used chip fat[/B] " " Waste transfer notes ? [B]Paper trail to say you didn't burn it all Nov 5th[/B] " " Calibration records for fert spreaders ? [B]Fertiliser can pollute the environment and expect further legislation on this in the Environment Bill [/B] " " Show a pic of my fert spreader ? [B]New one on me. Usually done as part of the tray test here anyway. [/B] " " Agronomists certificates ? ( Happy to provide their numbers, but this hints at we're liars ) [B]Used to be just the BASIS & FACTS numbers, to prove current competence[/B] " " Farm pollution risk assessment ? [B]Risk assessments are part of normal H&S. This is just an environmental one[/B] " " Crop inspection records ? [B]News to me. The agronomist usually writes sheets but has done it verbally lately. I'd better get a paper trail in place...[/B] " " Records of weeds / pests / diseases ? [B]Will be on the crop inspection records and spray rec sheets[/B] " " Soil management plan ? [B]This used to be part of cross compliance and is coming back now.[/B] What has the above got to do with food safety / traceability ? Way outside RT remit. Severe mission creep.[/I] [USER=6448]@7610 super q[/USER] Excuse the butchering of quotes etc, but this way seemed cleanest. It's about documented proof of compliance and good practice. Drier/machinery & seed storage, crop inspection, training & agronomist records help with food safety angle. Much of the rest is part of having a paper trail for environmental risks. All other businesses that deal with working outside have them too. Grain merchants have to show calibration records for moisture meters too (I do commercial grain storage too & have just had a UFAS inspection). Yes, it's patronising and I told the RT consultation this too. It is not far from what other industries have to do to satisfy their parasites. That doesn't make it right, but it does show that we're not alone. I'm not a RT fan nor an inspector, for the record. [/QUOTE]
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