Red tractor consultation

[An Gof]

Isn't there rumblings that ELMs could "reward" you for being part of an assurance scheme?

What are they going to reward us with, a gold star?
Not much mention of any money in the Elms discussions yet.

 

[Sid]

What are they going to reward us with, a gold star?
Not much mention of any money in the Elms discussions yet.

I hope for being RT you only get a certificate!

Gold in Elms for being RT is what they are moving up to with these new standards, soil, labour,etc.

Dear Mr Eustice
We can police this for you
Yours in anticipation
Mr Moseley

 

[Batty]

Been a member here for years but not posted much and agree with much that Clive has posted. ( sometimes comes on a bit strong if anyone has a different opinion to him but that’s another story) but 100 percent behind everyone on these red tractor threads. realise how difficult it will be and I know how many people say just tell them to stuff it but when all the milk buyers and 96 percent of pigs sold are red tractor ( that’s there figures that I think they are proud of! don’t think they realise how many are members because they have to be not want to) Having your milk collected daily and pigs go every week is a major concern ( red tractor even have a standard in the event of pigs not being able to be sold due to losing accreditation spot the irony in that) Massive thanks Clive for all you have done so far appreciate how many balls you are keeping in the air at once. Think the momentum is gathering on this now let people know on here what they can do to help there are many on here who will do all they can we have had enough of this sh1tstorm. Red tractor could have listened after all Ahdb Nfu are stakeholders but look what happens to companies who do not listen to there customers ( yes that’s us we pay them) they are only where they are as it’s a monopoly. Don’t let your foot off the pedal tell the masses what help you need! Hope your foresight finds a way forward.

 

[S J H]

I’ve just had to fetch it from the bin, I thought it was a newsletter.

The animal medicine bit in beef and lamb is a worry, I knew it was coming as last time it was a recommendation. So not only will I have to pay a vet, who has very little to do with the day to day running of the farm to sign a health plan, (which means sod all). I’ll also have to go on a course to inject properly, I don’t suppose the vet will be able to watch on the farm and sign a ticket there and then. And then I’ll have to upload it on the internet? Will it be linked to bcms so it could be relatively easy, and then when something is sold the data will pass along with the animal like the passport?

I told them last time that it’s very marginal whether it’s worth it or not. I’ll just sell store and with the hoggets I was never even asked last year if there were FA. The only thing that really keeps me in the scheme is that if something did go wrong then at least I have had an inspection from an outside party and I’m not completely off radar, in my own bubble filling out forms incorrectly.

 

[Flat 10]

Just done it. Never been so blunt with anyone official (apart from the time the RPA accused me of fraud).

 

[midlandslad]

I am sure we were promised less red tape post Brexit! Seems to be going the other way, not a surprise though.

interesting to read that RT is a not for profit organisation. Someone must be getting fat out of it.

I don’t think anyone thinks that we can get away with no assurance scheme. There needs to be an alternative and is it worth gathering the buyers feedback on the appetite of such a scheme?

 

[Boysground]

I have my virtual dairy & beef inspection in a few days. I am slowly going through the documents I have to upload on the system. If I was doing my arable at the same time it would be well over 100 documents and photos. At the same time the online upload is poor and there are lots of duplications of what I have to do. How do I upload a map with all the fields, marked with areas, nvz regs, water ways, springs wells etc with only a4 scanner, it would be impossible to read.

I am also annoyed by a couple of leading questions. I have been asked how long the dairy grazes for. Is this a underhand survey to find out how many housed herds there are, with a view that Red Tractor may ban them in the future.

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[Drillman]

I have looked up the dictionary definition of Red Tractor

it says...

Red Tractor- A job creation scheme for the otherwise unemployable!

 

[Tarw Coch]

Been a member here for years but not posted much and agree with much that Clive has posted. ( sometimes comes on a bit strong if anyone has a different opinion to him but that’s another story) but 100 percent behind everyone on these red tractor threads. realise how difficult it will be and I know how many people say just tell them to stuff it but when all the milk buyers and 96 percent of pigs sold are red tractor ( that’s there figures that I think they are proud of! don’t think they realise how many are members because they have to be not want to) Having your milk collected daily and pigs go every week is a major concern ( red tractor even have a standard in the event of pigs not being able to be sold due to losing accreditation spot the irony in that) Massive thanks Clive for all you have done so far appreciate how many balls you are keeping in the air at once. Think the momentum is gathering on this now let people know on here what they can do to help there are many on here who will do all they can we have had enough of this sh1tstorm. Red tractor could have listened after all Ahdb Nfu are stakeholders but look what happens to companies who do not listen to there customers ( yes that’s us we pay them) they are only where they are as it’s a monopoly. Don’t let your foot off the pedal tell the masses what help you need! Hope your foresight finds a way forward.

Same with RT dairy as your pigs, there are questions what would you do with your cows/milk in the event of losing RT accreditation.
Won’t be any of your buisness if that happens was my first thought, obviously I thought of a more acceptable reply to tick the box

 

[Tarw Coch]

I am also annoyed by a couple of leading questions. I have been asked how long the dairy grazes for. Is this a underhand survey to find out how many housed herds there are, with a view that Red Tractor may ban them in the future.

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Yes, they are collecting information.
I was asked if I fed antibiotic milk to calf’s.
I asked if it was a RT requirement, no it’s not so why do they want to know?
Inspector told me they slip such questions in to find out what’s going on at farm level

 

[beardface]

I am sure we were promised less red tape post Brexit! Seems to be going the other way, not a surprise though.

interesting to read that RT is a not for profit organisation. Someone must be getting fat out of it.

I don’t think anyone thinks that we can get away with no assurance scheme. There needs to be an alternative and is it worth gathering the buyers feedback on the appetite of such a scheme?

There is its called trading standards. What all imports have to adhere to. Doesn't need anything else.

 

[warksfarmer]

Red Tractor is what’s just happened to Trump. Setup by Virtue signalling snowflake woke taliban libtards. It’s working it’s way into the industry and we are letting it.

We need a TFF union £10/year membership cost and then every member doesn’t sign up for RT for that 12 month period.

 

[Tarw Coch]

I am sure we were promised less red tape post Brexit! Seems to be going the other way, not a surprise though.

interesting to read that RT is a not for profit organisation. Someone must be getting fat out of it.

There have been promises of less red tape for as long as I can remember.
In all that time things have only gone one way regardless of those promises and as such, any such claims made regarding Brexit reducing red tape will have gone in one ear and out the other with me, I’ll believe it when I see it !

But those are political promises, RT is something different, something which we supposedly choose to join, and as far as I’m aware they have made no commitment to reduce red tape.........and even if they did I would find such comments as convincing as the ones from government.
If it weren’t for the fact it is effectively compulsory for many I suspect they would have a lot less members.

 

[chipchap]

The way to trigger the fall of the shambles called red tractor is not only to attack it from the farmer side, but also from the food industry side, finding processors that do not take red tractor seriously, perhaps using substantial volumes of imported material, getting UK non assured produce in and publicising the situation. There are plenty of farmer merchants who are using their own assurance details to trade on non assured produce. The whole thing is a complete farce.

 

[Vader]

The NFU are not perfect but they are the only voice we have. If you don't join it won't make any difference to your business, but if nobody joined it probably would.

Red Tractor is what’s just happened to Trump. Setup by Virtue signalling snowflake woke taliban libtards. It’s working it’s way into the industry and we are letting it.

We need a TFF union £10/year membership cost and then every member doesn’t sign up for RT for that 12 month period.

Taken the words out of my mouth.
Dump the nfu and RT.
Need to talk with buyers, see how many actually need RT stuff.
Sure half the stuff they buy in from aboard does not much our standards.

 

[Steevo]

There have been promises of less red tape for as long as I can remember.
In all that time things have only gone one way regardless of those promises and as such, any such claims made regarding Brexit reducing red tape will have gone in one ear and out the other with me, I’ll believe it when I see it !

But those are political promises, RT is something different, something which we supposedly choose to join, and as far as I’m aware they have made no commitment to reduce red tape.........and even if they did I would find such comments as convincing as the ones from government.
If it weren’t for the fact it is effectively compulsory for many I suspect they would have a lot less members.

Good point this! Anyone remember Richard McDonald (ex-NFU), the "Red Tape Tsar"?

Drive to remove red tape from the agriculture sector | Farming Monthly National

The farming industry is among the latest to benefit from the Government’s drive to unlock economic growth by freeing business from unnecessary red tape

www.farmingmonthly.co.uk

 

[tullah]

Red Tractor is what’s just happened to Trump. Setup by Virtue signalling snowflake woke taliban libtards. It’s working it’s way into the industry and we are letting it.

We need a TFF union £10/year membership cost and then every member doesn’t sign up for RT for that 12 month period.

Cheap at the price. My arable sub this year was £250. Thats not taking into account the stress, paperwork. spending time counting mouse droppings and insects plus courses for this and that just to run a very small one man band arable outfit.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Taken the words out of my mouth.
Dump the nfu and RT.
Need to talk with buyers, see how many actually need RT stuff.
Sure half the stuff they buy in from aboard does not much our standards.

Not sure how far you’ll get with buyers, it doesn’t cost them anything in time or hassle having RT.
Now if they had to pay a half decent premium that might be another matter.

 

[Steevo]

Not sure how far you’ll get with buyers, it doesn’t cost them anything in time or hassle having RT.
Now if they had to pay a half decent premium that might be another matter.

The end user pays a royalty to be able to print the RT label on the packet!

 

[Tarw Coch]

Good point this! Anyone remember Richard McDonald (ex-NFU), the "Red Tape Tsar"?

Drive to remove red tape from the agriculture sector | Farming Monthly National

The farming industry is among the latest to benefit from the Government’s drive to unlock economic growth by freeing business from unnecessary red tape

www.farmingmonthly.co.uk

From 2013, anyone noticed any improvement yet?