Red Tractor meat

[Clive]

Can a livestock farmer clarify this one please ?

can a (live) animal be imported to a UK Red Tractor assured farm that is then later slaughtered in the uk become red tractor assured ?

if so how long must it be on the uk farm before slaughter ?

think there maybe some mis information this on X that needs clarification

 

[Blue.]

No it can’t,who knows once it’s strung up…

 

[Clive]

No it can’t,who knows once it’s strung up…

so all red tractor assured meat must be born in the UK on a RT assured farm ?

 

[JP1]

so all red tractor assured meat must be born in the UK on a RT assured farm ?

A UK animal can reside on an RT farm for 90 days and become RT assured

 

[Blue.]

Must be born in the Uk,can become assured once it resides on an assured farm for 90 days.

 

[Nearly]

3 months on assured rt unit to be assured. (from memory)
There was a call from rt for 'whole life assurance' but a lot of breeders and rearers are smaller scale, part time or just plain against RT interference that it wasn't implemented.

 

[JP1]

3 months on assured rt unit to be assured. (from memory)
There was a call from rt for 'whole life assurance' but a lot of breeders and rearers are smaller scale, part time or just plain against RT interference that it wasn't implemented.

The mad mullahs (including Minette Batters) are still all for whole life assurance mind

 

[sjt01]

Must be born in the Uk,can become assured once it resides on an assured farm for 90 days.

Our imported pedigree cows became Red Tractor and went with a Red Tractor sticker when they eventually left the herd.

 

[lloyd]

Our imported pedigree cows became Red Tractor and went with a Red Tractor sticker when they eventually left the herd.

You would have had them on your holding for a significant time though?
Pointless thread imo.

 

[sjt01]

You would have had them on your holding for a significant time though?

Yes, between 2 and 10 years so far.

 

[Blue.]

Our imported pedigree cows became Red Tractor and went with a Red Tractor sticker when they eventually left the herd.

Shouldn’t have.

 

[gone up the hill]

Only UK born animals can be RT assured.

90 days for cattle
60 days for sheep

RT tried to implement Whole Life Assurance a few years ago and held three meetings across the UK to explain the benefits of WLA, the first one was at Cullompton in Devon and things got so heated between RT top bods and farmers against WLA that they nearly had to call the police to break it up!

IF WLA is introduced it will drive thousands of smaller farmers out of the industry and make it all but impossible for young people to get into the industry.

The supermarkets would like it introduced as it would give them even more control over the supply chain!

And RT would like WLA as it will mean a massive pay day for them and keeps RT relevant and would stop so many livestock farmers quitting RT like they currently are doing so!

 

[sjt01]

Shouldn’t have.

As you cannot have Red Tractor grain and nonRT grain on the same farm, does the same not apply to livestock?

 

[lloyd]

Only UK born animals can be RT assured.

90 days for cattle
60 days for sheep

RT tried to implement Whole Life Assurance a few years ago and held three meetings across the UK to explain the benefits of WLA, the first one was at Cullompton in Devon and things got so heated between RT top bods and farmers against WLA that they nearly had to call the police to break it up!

IF WLA is introduced it will drive thousands of smaller farmers out of the industry and make it all but impossible for young people to get into the industry.

The supermarkets would like it introduced as it would give them even more control over the supply chain!

If we were going down this route then a lot of arable crops shouldn't qualify either.
look at where a lot of the hybrid OSR seed comes from and it isn't the UK mostly.

 

[gone up the hill]

if we were going down this route then a lot of arable crops shouldn't qualify either.

And neither should the non imported grain used in RT feeds that is not RT assured !

 

[gone up the hill]

As you cannot have Red Tractor grain and nonRT grain on the same farm, does the same not apply to livestock?

If you have two grain stores then surely there is nothing stopping a farm have both assured and non assured grain on the same farm?

 

[sjt01]

If you have two grain stores then surely there is nothing stopping a farm have both assured and non assured grain on the same farm?

Try getting that through an audit!

 

[Flossie]

Yes, between 2 and 10 years so far.

How did you manage that?

I've had this conversation with Dunbia that it's ridiculous that you can import a 2 yr old heifer from say Germany. Instantly the milk from it is sold as Farm Assured as it's produced to farm assured standards.
Yet maybe 5 years later, after living in farm assured conditions and producing farm assured milk for twice as long as it ever lived abroad, the meat from it can't go as assured? Ridiculous.

Last time I saw an import through the live ring, the auctioneer made a (quite big) point of declaring it aswell.

 

[Bald Rick]

We import a lot of in-calf dairy heifers from Denmark and they go off with a RT sticker on the kill sheet with no problems.

They are treated EXACTLY like our own homebred animals (or likely better as Danish farms have no TB issues) so RT would be monumentally stupid to try and say they are not assured
They are, however, expected to be on farm for 90 days before milk is allowed in to the tank (No, I haven't worked that one out either)

 

[SilliamWhale]

The mad mullahs (including Minette Batters) are still all for whole life assurance mind

No one was ever able to demonstrate a financial advantage for this