red tractor portal

[Billboy1]

is this a better way of doing the assessment online ?

 

[Brisel]

You still need to show the assessor your spray store etc, but it does cut out at least half the time you are talking to them. Mine said that it doesn't take her any less time, but she can do the paperwork section when she wants and finish off with the call or visit.

 

[Clive]

is this a better way of doing the assessment online ?

are you going to ever point the phone camera at anything you would not want an inspector to see ?


Easier to pass ?? - yes

Any integrity whatsoever ?? - no


all pointless anyway considering imports have no FARM assurance sold at higher prices on same shelf or mixed with UK product that carries no RT branding ? - without doubt !

 

[Clive]

Same can be said for physical inspections however

I know a farmer with 1 very good grain store that passes really easy ........... he also has 2 other that the inspector doesn't see !

 

[Sid]

Same can be said for physical inspections however

I know a farmer with 1 very good grain store that passes really easy ........... he also has 2 other that the inspector doesn't see !

Which one has the mouse droppings in it

 

[T Hectares]

Same can be said for physical inspections however

I know a farmer with 1 very good grain store that passes really easy ........... he also has 2 other that the inspector doesn't see !

And if you’d really been doing something naughty with Chem or fert then clearly they are not the single field rec’s you’d give the inspector
And you would stick all the CTL around the back of the store too...

This all undermines self regulation though, most farmers would probably be “selective” (not me, I’m honest as the days long guv) as well as undermining the toothless, pointless nature of the ever increasing remit of RT

 

[gone up the hill]

is this a better way of doing the assessment online ?

Thin end of the wedge and all you are doing in signing up for the online portal is re-enforcing the RT view that farmers should before long upload everything they do on a daily basis in real time, ie drench some sheep- upload every number as you drench them/ spray a field- upload all the info before you drive back out of the field/ upload all your spending in real time so the supermarkets can see your COP and so it goes on! that is the RT or rather NFU aim for RT within a few short years.

Be carefull what you wish for...

 

[Boysground]

I did last years crops audit online, Wi-fi and 4g at my spray store is iffy so I ended up taking a photo in the door way. All ok and I passed. A few weeks later I get a letter telling me I had failed, somebody else had checked the photo and noticed a old mapp number on a can, think it may have been some defy but can’t remember for sure. Just a mistake on my part, obviously I should have failed but the sneaky way of doing it is not in the spirit of things

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[Wombat]

No as it means another chunk of time to load it all up.

Normally it’s just the one day off work for the inspection with everything laid out

 

[Billboy1]

i hate rt with a passion and get very anxious leading up to the inspection i think its the only time I'm actually rude to anyone and its not really their fault (just doing their job ).

 

[AndrewB]

I've spent all day scanning and uploading documents to put into the portal, hopefully I only have to do this once and not every year.
New assessor this year based 450 miles away!!
This is for produce ( potatoes).

 

[tullah]

I've spent all day scanning and uploading documents to put into the portal, hopefully I only have to do this once and not every year.
New assessor this year based 450 miles away!!
This is for produce ( potatoes).

Do you have to walk around all your field boundaries mapping any chesnuts, Hazel, beech and acorn in fact anything with a bloody nut on it?

 

[Billboy1]

I've spent all day scanning and uploading documents to put into the portal, hopefully I only have to do this once and not every year.
New assessor this year based 450 miles away!!
This is for produce ( potatoes).

 

[7610 super q]

About to make an attempt on this.....
Applied for my password to gain access to the portal. 2 days wait apparently.
Got a call from SAI yesterday.... " There's someone trying to access the portal using your membership number "
Er...yes...that was me....
Heard nothing since.
Set palaver dial to 11.

 

[melted welly]

About to make an attempt on this.....
Applied for my password to gain access to the portal. 2 days wait apparently.
Got a call from SAI yesterday.... " There's someone trying to access the portal using your membership number "
Er...yes...that was me....
Heard nothing since.
Set palaver dial to 11.

we spent days uploading stuff to the portal, audit came round -

“can I see the cropping record please”

”yes, it’s on the portal”

”what?”

”we uploaded everything to the portal”

”oh, right, let me just..........hang on..........errr.........here it is.......right.........errrr, what were we looking for again.......oh, that’s a lot of documents”

 

[Vader]

Think going to do sell cattle az stores from now. So don't think I need to be RT !

 

[JJT]

Got inspection tomorrow, spend a day uploading documents last week. Hopefully that'll keep her satisfied... I doubt it though. as someone said above, will be very peeved if its not all saved for next year too at least the stuff that doesn't change.

 

[Two Tone]

According to @An Gof , nobody has to agree to a remote inspection and can insist that you have a manual inspection in the normal way. This will avoid having to download any information or the use of what's crap.

RT cannot refuse continued Assurance without good reason. If you insist that you will only have a manual assessment, it is up to them to book one for you, despite any lockdowns at the time.

However, the NFU and Red Tractor would rather we all didn't know this!

I insisted on a manual inspection and NSF didn't ague the point. So NSF did our grain last year and had a normal inspection in September. They sent a new to me assessor and it went OK.

With our Deer enterprise which is assured through SAI, they just extended our assurance for a year! But as they have to be assured through both Waitrose's and M&S's own assurance scheme, I wonder why we need to be part of the SAI scheme at all anyway.

 

[DrWazzock]

I almost wouldn’t mind if all our records were in standard format on a cloud based system paid for by our RT subs. I’d feel like I was getting something for the money. But fact is these docs we upload are not live. They are out of date and unmaintaned from the moment they are uploaded. It’s a pointless waste of time and money and a naive and amateur way to do things as anybody who has ever worked under a real document control system will tell you.

 

[An Gof]

According to @An Gof , nobody has to agree to a remote inspection and can insist that you have a manual inspection in the normal way. This will avoid having to download any information or the use of what's crap.

RT cannot refuse continued Assurance without good reason. If you insist that you will only have a manual assessment, it is up to them to book one for you, despite any lockdowns at the time.

However, the NFU and Red Tractor would rather we all didn't know this!

I insisted on a manual inspection and NSF didn't ague the point. So NSF did our grain last year and had a normal inspection in September. They sent a new to me assessor and it went OK.

With our Deer enterprise which is assured through SAI, they just extended our assurance for a year! But as they have to be assured through both Waitrose's and M&S's own assurance scheme, I wonder why we need to be part of the SAI scheme at all anyway.

For the avoidance of doubt.

That was the situation in the first lock down last year. I’m not sure if the situation has changed.