Red tractor warning.

[frederick]

Just a note of caution. I have just failed and my inspector is currently failing over 50% of his visits.
It turns out that once a seal is broken on antibiotic it is out of date within 28 days. So medicine book checked for first use of batch number and if more than 28 days ago bottle shouldn't have been there regardless of date on label.
Had a bottle of synulox catch me out.

Lesson learnt.

 

[Kernow Star]

Is this a non compliance or a major and don't get your milk picked up?

 

[frederick]

Just a 28 day fix.
However a photo of my vet sourced empty bottle bin may not be enough I am probably going to have to get a receipt from my vet that I have handed the bottles in.

 

[Kernow Star]

Ah that's not so bad.

 

[NoParticularPattern]

How on earth do they prove that it’s the same bottle that you opened however many days ago? We have open and unopened bottles of pen and strep here that we’re bought last week but are the same batch as those bought, opened and used in January. By that inspector’s thought we would have to request a new batch number every 28 days which doesn’t seem feasible since we just get what we’re given by vets . Obviously we have the purchases to prove it but how do we prove that that open bottle isn’t a January one?!

 

[frederick]

How on earth do they prove that it’s the same bottle that you opened however many days ago? We have open and unopened bottles of pen and strep here that we’re bought last week but are the same batch as those bought, opened and used in January. By that inspector’s thought we would have to request a new batch number every 28 days which doesn’t seem feasible since we just get what we’re given by vets . Obviously we have the purchases to prove it but how do we prove that that open bottle isn’t a January one?!

Because you have to record the batch number when you use it and that first use will show the date it was opened
Just read your post again and I see your point with same batch numbers. And that probably couldn't be proven.

 

[NoParticularPattern]

Because you have to record the batch number when you use it and that first use will show the date it was opened

Yes but the point I’m making is that we have been using the same batch number of pen and strep since January (possibly longer, it’s just we changed systems then so I know that much is true because it’s fresh in my mind). Which is obviously more than 28 days ago. How do we prove that the batch E.g. 12345 that we have open isn’t also the 12345 that we also opened in January? Obviously we have the opened date of that 12345 from a few days ago but it’s still batch 12345. Not all batch numbers are small runs and there’s nothing to differentiate between the bottles from the same batch.

 

[TheRanger]

I quite often get numerous bottles with the same batch number.

It's not a bottle number, it's batch number.

 

[vantage]

Yes but the point I’m making is that we have been using the same batch number of pen and strep since January (possibly longer, it’s just we changed systems then so I know that much is true because it’s fresh in my mind). Which is obviously more than 28 days ago. How do we prove that the batch E.g. 12345 that we have open isn’t also the 12345 that we also opened in January? Obviously we have the opened date of that 12345 from a few days ago but it’s still batch 12345. Not all batch numbers are small runs and there’s nothing to differentiate between the bottles from the same batch.

I quite often get numerous bottles with the same batch number.

It's not a bottle number, it's batch number.

You’ll have to individually identify each bottle eg 1, 2, 3, a,b,c. It’s all rather pedantic now.

 

[kiwi pom]

Because you have to record the batch number when you use it and that first use will show the date it was opened
Just read your post again and I see your point with same batch numbers. And that probably couldn't be proven.

Would it be worth you contacting RT to explain the Batch number covers more than one bottle?
The inspector may think they discovered a way to trip people up but doesn't actually know what a batch number is? They could be incorrectly failing people.
I suppose you could work out when a new bottle was opened buy adding up all the volumes used, do the rules require you to record when you open a new bottle? Or just record the batch number.
Sometimes you need to push back.

 

[jerseycowsman]

You’ll have to individually identify each bottle eg 1, 2, 3, a,b,c. It’s all rather pedantic now.

FFS, pen pushing, blood sucking arseholes!

 

[An Gof]

Not to keen on throwing away unused zactran in a bottle after 28 days ….. too
Expensive for that.

 

[Zippy768]

Surely the inspector has got it wrong. Did he show you that rule in his handbook?
I have never seen that an antibiotic has a 28 day expiry

 

[frederick]

Surely the inspector has got it wrong. Did he show you that rule in his handbook?
I have never seen that an antibiotic has a 28 day expiry

Afraid not. Spoke to my vets. Turns out they are now supplying broaching labels so you now when the 28 days is up.

 

[Fergieman]

When you see the colour of an opened bottle of alamycin LA after a week compared to a new one I'm not surprised.

 

[YELROM]

When you see the colour of an opened bottle of alamycin LA after a week compared to a new one I'm not surprised.

But you could have a bottle of pen and strep open for 12 months and it still looks ok(not sure if it would be though) this is the problem of trying to make a one size fits all system
Our vets charge £5 to draw drugs in to a syringe and that was a few years ago

 

[bigw]

Afraid not. Spoke to my vets. Turns out they are now supplying broaching labels so you now when the 28 days is up.

It has always stated on medicine labels that there is a use by time after first broaching, nothing new just being enforced now i guess. Not trying to justify RT though as i think its bolloxs!

 

[vantage]

It’s a push by ”control” to have all antibiotics/ antibacterials to be administered be vets.

 

[tr250]

Why don’t we all use more antibiotics then it won’t get chance to go out of date

 

[In the pit]

Having half full bottles of medicines ,is that because the full course wasn’t administered or maybe to calves which have a lower dose